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SirRumpole said:
No, she will let other people insert the knife while she stands over the body.
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If she's smart, she'll let others do the deed, then call her to the rescue.
If she's smarter, she'll let others do the deed, select another leader, and she remains Foreign Minister.

But Tony must go. No matter how.
 
Open revolt amongst backbenchers this morning, Jensen, Entsch and others: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...on-tony-abbott-to-resign-20150203-1358jm.html

If Bishop and Turnbull are able to form a working duumvirate, that will be that. But imagine being in a duumvirate with Malcolm.

With the benefit of hindsight, the Libs might eventually wish they hadn't gone there. There is a reliable circuit breaker for the PM, and he and his Head of Dept know what that is.

Nick Minchin to the front office please.
 
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

:rolleyes:
 
Tisme said:
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.

:rolleyes:
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Does TA wear Bonds ?

;)
 
More ludicrousness surrounding the Govt's metadata rention policy

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/telcos_warn_against_letting_gmail_KWm7KjfLuZQVr0NhiIqYVI

But Attorney-General’s department assistant secretary Anna Harmer on Monday said that providers of “over-the-top” services that use the internet such as WhatsApp, Gmail and Skype would not be covered by the new regime.

“Are you seeking to be able to capture over a period of two years basic metadata on those services?” Greens Senator Scott Ludlam asked Ms Harmer.

“In the case of a number of the examples you provided. . . those would not fall within the obligation,” she replied.

She added that this was because the web services were not Australian-based telcos and did not count as carriers as defined by the Telecommunications Act 1997.
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So basically if you wish to avoid this ill thought policy to do something nefarious all you need to do is:

* Use whatsapp / line / viber for texting
* Don't use your ISPs email system
* Use a VOIP app like viber or line.

Throw in the use of a free VPN - plenty around provide access with say 500MB of data each month, or $40-50 will provide a years worth of unlimited encrypted data - to really hide all you traffic.

Now the Govt wont release the costings estimate from PwC, which makes me think it's not going to be cheap. Taxpayers are already on the hook for some of the costs (setup costs likely in the hundreds of millions), with internet bills likely to rise to cover the remaining setup costs and running costs (well north of $100M a year).

So after a few years and half a billion dollars what does the Govt actually expect this policy will achieve when it it's so easily avoided? Even a half witted terrorist would be adept at circumventing it.
 
sydboy007 said:
More ludicrousness surrounding the Govt's metadata rention policy

http://www.afr.com/p/technology/telcos_warn_against_letting_gmail_KWm7KjfLuZQVr0NhiIqYVI



So basically if you wish to avoid this ill thought policy to do something nefarious all you need to do is:

* Use whatsapp / line / viber for texting
* Don't use your ISPs email system
* Use a VOIP app like viber or line.



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be interesting to see how they cater for load balancing mirrors and sub domains that will spring up like a rash.
 
Christopher Pyne as reported in Fairfax,

Deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop felt "insulted" and "offended" at having to prove her loyalty to Prime Minister Tony Abbott, a cabinet colleague has revealed.

Ms Bishop was forced to pledge she would not challenge Mr Abbott for the top job during a cabinet meeting on Tuesday. A damaging leak earlier in the day suggested she refused to provide the Prime Minister with the same promise when asked in person on Sunday night.

The leak came 24 hours after Fairfax Media revealed Ms Bishop and Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull were weighing up their leadership options for the first time.

But Education Minister Christopher Pyne said Ms Bishop felt her loyalty should be "unquestioned" because she has always been loyal to Mr Abbott.

"Well Julie has been the deputy since 2007 and I think she was insulted a little, offended a bit about the idea that she wasn't totally loyal to Tony Abbott," Mr Pyne told Nine's Today show.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...o-tony-abbott-questioned-20150203-135gbu.html

Jeff Kennett,

But senior Victorian figure Mr Kennett said Mr Abbott's pain was largely "self-inflicted" and that he has lost support of the public, including traditional Liberal supporters.

"Sadly the realisation has dawned on most politicians that where the leadership of the party is now terminal," he told AM.

"It needs to be resolved as quickly as possible so that the party can move on."
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-04/abbott-tells-mps-to-stop-navel-gazing/6068584
 
Deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop felt "insulted" and "offended" at having to prove her loyalty to Prime Minister Tony Abbott, a cabinet colleague has revealed.
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That she was so asked just demonstrates once again how Mr Abbott just does not understand how people work.
That demand to Ms Bishop will have ultimately alienated her.

I'd like to see her as leader with Mr Turnbull as Deputy, possibly also Treasurer, though to move Joe Hockey aside is effectively admitting to the nation the party has stuffed up re Budget etc.

I do not want to see Australia with an ETS or a return to the carbon tax, either of which would be a possibility if Mr Turnbull were to be in charge.
 
Julia said:
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I'd like to see her as leader with Mr Turnbull as Deputy, possibly also Treasurer, though to move Joe Hockey aside is effectively admitting to the nation the party has stuffed up re Budget etc.
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I don't think she would be the right choice in the current climate and would be viewed as more of the same.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think that cat is already out of the bag.

:rolleyes:
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he didn't even manage a dead cat bounce in economic growth.

I see the economy has now surpassed stagnation and is now heading into visible negative growth ....fantastic performance by a bunch of people who thought they knew it all when in opposition and blocked, rather than negotiated the generational opportunity of a lifetime to nation build (now the belligerent Shorten crowd have nothing but contempt for the Abbott tribe).
 
Julia said:
That she was so asked just demonstrates once again how Mr Abbott just does not understand how people work.
That demand to Ms Bishop will have ultimately alienated her.

I'd like to see her as leader with Mr Turnbull as Deputy, possibly also Treasurer, though to move Joe Hockey aside is effectively admitting to the nation the party has stuffed up re Budget etc.

I do not want to see Australia with an ETS or a return to the carbon tax, either of which would be a possibility if Mr Turnbull were to be in charge.
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Huge depth of talent in the party, not. What an indictment of a govt that only has two contenders, one who hasn't left her classroom M'aam attitude behind and the other who lost interest in any zeal years ago.

Malcolm would be a reluctant tourist and any in the Labor ranks would eat Julie alive. How about Bronwyn Bishop? She has a thick hide, is a Howard Liberal Party clone ....couldn't do any worse than the current zero. :rolleyes:
 
Tisme said:
Huge depth of talent in the party, not. What an indictment of a govt that only has two contenders, one who hasn't left her classroom M'aam attitude behind and the other who lost interest in any zeal years ago.

Malcolm would be a reluctant tourist and any in the Labor ranks would eat Julie alive. How about Bronwyn Bishop? She has a thick hide, is a Howard Liberal Party clone ....couldn't do any worse than the current zero. :rolleyes:
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You can just see Bronny banning restive MP's from the party room under 94A.

:D
 
Julia said:
That she was so asked just demonstrates once again how Mr Abbott just does not understand how people work.
That demand to Ms Bishop will have ultimately alienated her.

I'd like to see her as leader with Mr Turnbull as Deputy, possibly also Treasurer, though to move Joe Hockey aside is effectively admitting to the nation the party has stuffed up re Budget etc.

I do not want to see Australia with an ETS or a return to the carbon tax, either of which would be a possibility if Mr Turnbull were to be in charge.
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I can't see Malcolm being deputy of anything.

Joe has been a poor performer in the treasury portfolio. If TA goes, Joe has to go as well.

I don't think that ultimately a carbon tax would win the Coalition votes. Left supporters who champion Malcolm Turnbull for PM still won't vote Liberal come election time and he'll ultimately alienate a large proportion of his own supporter base as well as a significant part of the Liberal party.

If there's to be a change, it's JB for PM with MT for treasurer for me. A strong domestic portfolio would suit MT much more than deputy leader and his economic expertise will be a natural balance for what JB lacks in this area. I'd also like to see how well MT performs as treasurer before he's considered for the top job. He needs to do more in terms of being a team player before he can lead again in my view. It's a waste he wasn't treasurer under TA.

Scott Morrison would be best left in Social Security under the above where he can gain experience in that important domestic portfolio.
 
drsmith said:
I can't see Malcolm being deputy of anything.
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Well, he wouldn't have once seen himself as anything other than leader, but has seemed to function without any obvious bitterness in the Communication p/f.

I don't think that ultimately a carbon tax would win the Coalition votes. Left supporters who champion Malcolm Turnbull for PM still won't vote Liberal come election time and he'll ultimately alienate a large proportion of his own supporter base as well as a significant part of the Liberal party.
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Valid point, but the zeal of some of the supporters of anthropogenic climate change knows no boundaries.

If there's to be a change, it's JB for PM with MT for treasurer for me. A strong domestic portfolio would suit MT much more than deputy leader and his economic expertise will be a natural balance for what JB lacks in this area. I'd also like to see how well MT performs as treasurer before he's considered for the top job. He needs to do more in terms of being a team player before he can lead again in my view. It's a waste he wasn't treasurer under TA.
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+1. Any suggestions from the Labor camp that Ms Bishop does not have the steel to acquit herself well in a leadership position is, imo, significantly underestimating her.
 
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