The stress must be getting to him. Trust Fairfax to find yet another Abbott gaffe.
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The stress must be getting to him. Trust Fairfax to find yet another Abbott gaffe.
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The fact they can't do this says they're not ready to Govern. Whether it's just being stuck in opposition mode, or beign caught short without the plan they said they had, I don't care. I'm sick of hearing it's Labors fault, it's the senat, it's the media. They're all excuses from a no excuses no surprises Govt.
It's a shame they've wasted pretty much all their political capital and good will on pissing off the public for no benefit. No beneficial strucutral reform has been achieved.
If the public was pissed at them for quarantining NG and cutting back on some middle class welfare, there'd be a chance their polling would improve as they gained grudging respect for making the hard choices and cutting into the budget deficit. Now they've got to try and implement some good policy from the Murray inquiry with a public already ignoring much of what the Govt is saying and what they do hear is through the prism of broken promises.
It's really a bad situation for Australia because we desperately need some true political leadership that has the cajones to make some tough policy choices, yet can get the public to accept what needs to be done.
Nothing from the Abbott Govt say they can do it, and nothing from Labor say they have any plan to resolve the budget deterioration either.
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Not yet, but no Opposition fires it's guns before the battle has started.
Yes, it's a pity that Oppositions just skulk around until elections before they show their policies, but they are desperately hoping that the situation gets worse so they can act as white knights when the election comes.
Oppositions don't try and help governments solve problems, as Abbott showed when he was in Opposition, they use the time to develope alternatives and pull them out at the last moment.
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So curently Labor policy is, there will be no change to the university funding, there will be no fuel indexing, there will be no gp co payment and there will be no linking pensions to cpi.
There will be a return of the MRRT and the carbon tax, which would be a disaster at the moment, so it will be interesting to see what Bill pulls out of the bag.
Actually Bill coming back to fix up the mess, is a bit like a tenant leaving a trashed house and saying they were going to come back to fix it.
I believe him, as much as I would them.
If he had any interest in fixing the situation, he would already be negotiating outcomes with Abbott.
What is painfully obvious, the only interest is to regain office, which is self interest.IMO
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It will.
Obviously they had 6 years to crack down on negative gearing and superannuation for the rich, so I wouldn't be looking for any changes there.
As long as they can keep their snouts in the trough (along with the Coalition) I doubt if they would bring in policies that would affect them personally.
If the mining royalty tax credits have not been removed, that would be one area where they could save a lot of dough with little effort.
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Absolutely correct Syd.
If Abbott can't overcome the bad press, make a choice that is balanced and equitable to all concerned, he needs to step aside.
Then put someone in who can, this is serious, this is our grandkids future.
We can't make much affect to the climate, but we should be able to sort our fiscal system, to safeguard our lifestyle
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Well you just have to think a bit, on what income sector are involved in negative gearing and renting properties, it isn't the super rich.
Then think on which sector of the super system, is most vocal about SMSF and the fees charged by super funds, that would be industry funds.
That is the whole problem, politics has become a "I've won lotto" career, if i can get the pension it's a high five.
The problem is our lifestyle and future depends on rational decission making, while we find our niche in the 'first world economy'.
Currently we seem to have self obsessed politicians on both sides, more worried about media persona than economic outcomes, then again we only see or hear what the media wants to present.
That then brings us back to the ABC and how important it is they give both sides of the arguement, not just the presenters personal preference.
Super profits tax was dumb, you want companies to make super profits, you just want them to reinvest those super profits. So you can tax them on that also.
The intercontinental tax bleed has always been a problem, and can only be fixed on the world stage.
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Knobby22
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Will Hockey act on the Murray enquiry? Murray, after all a well known Lib and his recommendations are for the good of the country.
He is surely feeling the pressure to act. I and most others want him to stand up for Australians not multinationals and the banks.
From the ABC
Treasurer Joe Hockey hints at following Britain and cracking down on tax avoiding multi-nationals.
Duration: 4:32
First posted 04/12/2014 19:45:02
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The Treasurer Joe Hockey has hinted he may act to force multinational companies to pay their fair share of tax in Australia when they make profits here. Peter Madden is an expert on corporate and international tax with Deloitte, and he spoke to Tracey Holmes.
Will he finally do something to win votes?
He is surely feeling the pressure to act. I and most others want him to stand up for Australians not multinationals and the banks.
From the ABC
Treasurer Joe Hockey hints at following Britain and cracking down on tax avoiding multi-nationals.
Duration: 4:32
First posted 04/12/2014 19:45:02
Download audio
The Treasurer Joe Hockey has hinted he may act to force multinational companies to pay their fair share of tax in Australia when they make profits here. Peter Madden is an expert on corporate and international tax with Deloitte, and he spoke to Tracey Holmes.
Will he finally do something to win votes?
Tisme
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I was watching, I think, Hockey the other day crowing about adding 120000 jobs in one quarter to the workforce the other day. Funny how that has evaporated within a few months and now we have a decade or more high of 6.4% nationally and better still the heir apparent economic powerhouse of Australia, Qld, has reached 7% under the guiding hand of a Premier who we only ever see when he is required to talk to the effusive Murdoch press about misdemeanours of his scrotum plonking, branch stacking, nepotistic colleagues.
Wasn't too long ago that bad employment participation rates were front page news, depending what political party was in power of course.
Objectively I am getting a strong impression governance might not be some of our politicians strongest talents.
Wasn't too long ago that bad employment participation rates were front page news, depending what political party was in power of course.
Objectively I am getting a strong impression governance might not be some of our politicians strongest talents.
We are past the point of spending billions as labor did to create a few temporary jobs to look good. We need to cut wasteful spending (yes libs seem to be failing at)and tax reform before any large targeted stimulus. Joe Hockey has been making the right noises but they need to take action. Moves against multinationals is onto a winner imo , but a lot harder to implement in real life.
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Isn't that just parroting what the UK are already tracking to? There is a lot of things to govern and I'm not sure a single attack on technology giants will deliver a swing. I would bet Google and Apple will raise the cost of their downloads to offset any tax imputations and the public aren't going to be too happy about that.
Apple has more money than the US Treasury to put up a defence, but that could also be like saying I had more money than Alan Bond when he was declared bankrupt.
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Isn't that just parroting what the UK are already tracking to? There is a lot of things to govern and I'm not sure a single attack on technology giants will deliver a swing. I would bet Google and Apple will raise the cost of their downloads to offset any tax imputations and the public aren't going to be too happy about that.
Apple has more money than the US Treasury to put up a defence, but that could also be like saying I had more money than Alan Bond when he was declared bankrupt.
Apple have a brand they want to keep. If they want to ruin the brand by being a poor corporate citizen then so be it. I doubt they will want to do that.
The harder eggs to crack will be companies like Glencore which own many mines in Australia under that name and Xstrata. They proudly state they have paid us no tax despite owning amazing mines such as Mt Isa Mines. They give large political donations to both Labor and the Coalition to ensure that state of affairs continues. I would love to see Hockey tackle them.
Good on Fairfax for exposing them. Just like CBA, they probably have a ban now on advertising with them.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/glencore-tax-bill-on-15b-income-zip-zilch-zero-20140626-3awg0.html
Isn't that just parroting what the UK are already tracking to? There is a lot of things to govern and I'm not sure a single attack on technology giants will deliver a swing. I would bet Google and Apple will raise the cost of their downloads to offset any tax imputations and the public aren't going to be too happy about that.
Apple has more money than the US Treasury to put up a defence, but that could also be like saying I had more money than Alan Bond when he was declared bankrupt.
Hockey mentioned it months ago.
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I think the miners would be feeling rather emboldened after successfully getting rid of Rudd and Gillard. I don't think the LNP have the will to go after the big end of town where their benefactors live....could be wrong, but we all know about leopards.
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The sad fact is that Abbott showed this is a successful tool while in opposition. Where was Abbotts nation interest when he fought against Labors attempts to reign in the tax expenditures on car FBT and super pensions over $100K? Why weren't you calling for Abbott to be more bipartisan when Labor was in Govt?
To be honest i think an opposition is better to be bolder so that when they do get into Govt they have a reasonable case to be made that the public knew what they stood for before the election. Abbott spent 3 years telling everyone he was going to cut the deficit, cut taxes, and increase spending.
Unfortunately the media never challenged him enough on those claims, and too many of the public just believed him. He never chose to really work with Labor on solving the budget, even though he should have known it was in his best interests to help stem the bleeding revenues from tax expenditures, support some well targeted tax increases and well targeted spending cuts.
Now he's Phoney Tony barely able to admit he's broken promises, providing too much air time on his weaselling as to what he did and didn't promise.
Maybe it's time for the MSM to ask the leaders of the parties what promises they will fall on their own sword over should be be elected and not achieve. At least that might give voters a better idea of just what truly is a core promises these days.
Now we have a Govt that says it was going ot be transparent, yet wont release information about travel expenses that Labor regularly provided. That's only going to lead to people wondering what secrets they're trying to hide. Is there some more Don Randall type trips to be shown??
The Government is now spending tax payer funds to try and argue the case for the university funding changes, yet they wont acknowledge that the cost of uni degrees is going to at least double. Why are they wasting money on an advertising campaign? If the Govt has been so bad at communication their strategy, why are tax payers now forced to stump up more money to try and paper over the ineptitude? Saying Labor did it doesn't wash. Abbott promised to cut Govt advertising spending when he was in opposition.
Is it too much to ask that the Govt live up to what it said for so many years in opposition?
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The $70bn over 4 years big black hole Labor predicted the LNP would dig appears to becoming true as predicted and published back in Augustish 2011.
It's own pre election estimates found the LNP opposition hadn't factored in the loss of $24bn refund to the polluters, $7bn reduction in consumer taxes (carbon tax loading), $3bn for implementing direct action, $11bn in lost mining tax, $37bn promises and pledges; etc
so 24 + 7 +3 +11 +37 = ~70 right?
It's own pre election estimates found the LNP opposition hadn't factored in the loss of $24bn refund to the polluters, $7bn reduction in consumer taxes (carbon tax loading), $3bn for implementing direct action, $11bn in lost mining tax, $37bn promises and pledges; etc
so 24 + 7 +3 +11 +37 = ~70 right?
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I just found the music score Skynews can use when doing the montage of Tony Abbott's achievements after he gets booted out by his "mates" and cobbers:
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I just found the music score Skynews can use when doing the montage of Tony Abbott's achievements after he gets booted out by his "mates" and cobbers:
You're so vain by carly simon would be a good choice.
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I wonder if this last month has basically spelt the effective end of Tony Abbotts leadership?
The poll figures are now a chasm and suggest that many voters have decided TA is just not a good PM.
The leaks from Cabinet regarding Julie Bishop going to Lima to represent Australia at the Climate Change talks and then Tony tagging Andrew Robb as a chaperone are damming. Why ?
1) Tony just looks so politically dumb trying to bury CC as an issue when the very act of doing so becomes a serious problem for the government
2) Julie Bishop recognised this political reality and brought the issue to Cabinet which also recognized the political validity of at least being seen to do something.
3) Tony has now tried to control Juli by tagging Andrew Robb onto her for the trip - and getting absolutely no thanks from either party.
4) Finally this whole mess has been leaked to expose Tony Abbotts exceptionally poor judgment. When that sort of leaking is done I suggest numbers are being counted
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...limate-change-conference-20141208-122ug0.html
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...rime-ministerial-bottoms-20141208-122p91.html
The poll figures are now a chasm and suggest that many voters have decided TA is just not a good PM.
The leaks from Cabinet regarding Julie Bishop going to Lima to represent Australia at the Climate Change talks and then Tony tagging Andrew Robb as a chaperone are damming. Why ?
1) Tony just looks so politically dumb trying to bury CC as an issue when the very act of doing so becomes a serious problem for the government
2) Julie Bishop recognised this political reality and brought the issue to Cabinet which also recognized the political validity of at least being seen to do something.
3) Tony has now tried to control Juli by tagging Andrew Robb onto her for the trip - and getting absolutely no thanks from either party.
4) Finally this whole mess has been leaked to expose Tony Abbotts exceptionally poor judgment. When that sort of leaking is done I suggest numbers are being counted
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...limate-change-conference-20141208-122ug0.html
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/fed...rime-ministerial-bottoms-20141208-122p91.html