The Abbott Government

Calliope · 29 November 2014

Yes, Abbott should step aside before he is pushed. He is error prone, but a failure to admit when he is lying is rapidly transforming his image from a "good guy" to a "barnacle".

Wheels are falling off as Abbott careers to year’s end

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ers-to-years-end/story-fn53lw5p-1227138796996

banco · 29 November 2014

SirRumpole said:
UK efforts to curb immigration which could well be considered here

You are comparing apples with oranges. The fact that anyone in the EU can migrate to the UK makes things completely different to Australia's situation.

Calliope · 29 November 2014

Abbott's tenuous hold of the leadership was severely loosened last Sunday when Niki Savva, one of our most astute political commentators, used the phrase on The Insiders that he was 'lying about lying". The writing was on the wall..."he had been weighed in the balance and found wanting".

She didn't use the words lightly. She would have known that these words, so gleefully take up by Labor hacks and front-benchers, would mean he can't contest another election as PM. Like Obama he is a dead man walking.

SirRumpole · 29 November 2014

banco said:
You are comparing apples with oranges. The fact that anyone in the EU can migrate to the UK makes things completely different to Australia's situation.

Not completely different. The issue about migrants accessing benefits shortly after they arrive holds here as well.

noco · 29 November 2014

Calliope said:
Abbott's tenuous hold of the leadership was severely loosened last Sunday when Niki Savva, one of our most astute political commentators, used the phrase on The Insiders that he was 'lying about lying". The writing was on the wall..."he had been weighed in the balance and found wanting".

She didn't use the words lightly. She would have known that these words, so gleefully take up by Labor hacks and front-benchers, would mean he can't contest another election as PM. Like Obama he is a dead man walking.

Paul Kelly has a similar view....the coalition needs to review the last 15 months in office or continue down the slippery slide....Mid 2015 will be the crunch.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...straight-talking/story-e6frg74x-1227138820838

boofhead · 29 November 2014

SirRumpole said:
Not completely different. The issue about migrants accessing benefits shortly after they arrive holds here as well.

Someone on this forum in the last week provided a quote from Centrelink site or a quote from a senion Centrelink person in relation to what they are actually eligble for. Be careful what you say to make sure it is correct and not something Alan Jones read in email.

Logique · 30 November 2014

Julie Bishop is right, and Australia couldn't be in better hands at the UN Climate Conference in Lima.

Julie Bishop reopens nuclear debate as route to cut carbon dioxide emissions - November 29, 2014
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...carbon-dioxide-emissions-20141129-11w17k.html

...Mr Bishop said: "Other countries are embracing nuclear power as part of their energy mix in order to meet the kind of reduction in greenhouse gas emissions that is being considered.

"France is considered as one of the greenest countries on earth [and] has a significant proportion of its energy from nuclear energy."

noco · 30 November 2014

It would appear Senator Lambie has had an impact on Tony Abbott over the ADF entitlements but the 1.5 % pay rise mat still stand....Whether this is sufficient to to quell her thirst for power over Abbott remains to be seen.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...or-jacqui-lambie/story-fnii5s41-1227139395331

Knobby22 · 30 November 2014

Calliope said:
Abbott's tenuous hold of the leadership was severely loosened last Sunday when Niki Savva, one of our most astute political commentators, used the phrase on The Insiders that he was 'lying about lying". The writing was on the wall..."he had been weighed in the balance and found wanting".

She didn't use the words lightly. She would have known that these words, so gleefully take up by Labor hacks and front-benchers, would mean he can't contest another election as PM. Like Obama he is a dead man walking.

Yes.
Abbott has damaged the Liberal brand and is perceived to be incompetent, unfair and dishonest.
I said on these pages he would be one term Tony, I am probably wrong because his party surely won't let him stand for the next election. The only thing stopping him being toppled is that the politicians themselves don't want to be seen to be instigating it.

Calliope · 30 November 2014

Defence Minister David Johnston attacked the government’s own shipbuilder, ASC, saying he would not trust it to “build a canoe”.

His assessment of the incompetency and huge cost over-runs of the ASC is shared by many of the hypocrites on both side of the house who are now baying for his blood.

Conroy's juvenile spin is that it is an attack on the workers.

Opposition defence spokesman Stephen Conroy said the “disgraceful” attack on the ASC showed an “appalling lack of *respect” for workers — some of whom were visiting Parliament House yesterday.

Julia · 30 November 2014

Knobby22 said:
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Abbott has damaged the Liberal brand

So true. This is what is so disappointing. The electorate imagined we were being delivered from the chaos of Labor to a government which would be consistent, organised and competent. Some members are just that, eg Scott Morrison, Julie Bishop.

But Tony Abbott in his pathetic bumbling has tarnished the whole Liberal persona.
As a result, we will quite possibly see a return to Labor at the next election unless they can find a replacement for both Abbott and Hockey.

sptrawler · 30 November 2014

Julia said:
So true. This is what is so disappointing. The electorate imagined we were being delivered from the chaos of Labor to a government which would be consistent, organised and competent. Some members are just that, eg Scott Morrison, Julie Bishop.

But Tony Abbott in his pathetic bumbling has tarnished the whole Liberal persona.
As a result, we will quite possibly see a return to Labor at the next election unless they can find a replacement for both Abbott and Hockey.

Yes, I think the Libs will have to ask the media, who they would like to replace them.

noco · 30 November 2014

Julia said:
So true. This is what is so disappointing. The electorate imagined we were being delivered from the chaos of Labor to a government which would be consistent, organised and competent. Some members are just that, eg Scott Morrison, Julie Bishop.

But Tony Abbott in his pathetic bumbling has tarnished the whole Liberal persona.
As a result, we will quite possibly see a return to Labor at the next election unless they can find a replacement for both Abbott and Hockey.

They are a lead weight around the Liberal Party's neck and some hard decisions will have to be made before mid 2015.

If they do make some changes, a new leader will need all of the 15 months left before the 2016 election to turn things around or else they will follow in the footsteps of the Victorians.

noco · 30 November 2014

sptrawler said:
Yes, I think the Libs will have to ask the media, who they would like to replace them.

I don't see why they should ask the media...I am sure the party are better equipped to make those decisions....I do believe there are several in the party who quietly believe changes have to be made and it will only be a matter of time when one or two ministers will put their hand up to make a challenge and the sooner the better...there is bound to be a lot of discussions going on over Xmas

boofhead · 30 November 2014

I expect a change of leader will create a lot of rhetoric the Coalition used during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd changes. "The people didn't vote for" which ever person as PM. I guess that is the price you pay for being so vocal in opposition in ways that leave yourself no room to manuevre.

noco · 30 November 2014

boofhead said:
I expect a change of leader will create a lot of rhetoric the Coalition used during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd changes. "The people didn't vote for" which ever person as PM. I guess that is the price you pay for being so vocal in opposition in ways that leave yourself no room to manuevre.

I am sure you won't see Abbott stabbed in the back like the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Shorten episodes.

It will be done in a democratic way...You may even see Abbott decide to stand a side, throw the leadership open and even put his own hat in the ring....that is the way adult people do it....not like ex union thugs in the Labor Party.

So_Cynical · 30 November 2014

Calliope said:
Yes, Abbott should step aside before he is pushed. He is error prone, but a failure to admit when he is lying is rapidly transforming his image from a "good guy" to a "barnacle".

Knobby22 said:
Yes.
Abbott has damaged the Liberal brand and is perceived to be incompetent, unfair and dishonest.
I said on these pages he would be one term Tony

Julia said:
Tony Abbott in his pathetic bumbling has tarnished the whole Liberal persona.
As a result, we will quite possibly see a return to Labor at the next election unless they can find a replacement for both Abbott and Hockey.

noco said:
They are a lead weight around the Liberal Party's neck and some hard decisions will have to be made before mid 2015.

LOL seriously you guys have the knifes out after just 6 back flips and one election spanking...what a turn around. :grinsking

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For everyone who hasn't seen it, 1 vote Tony's shocker of a speech to the G20, try not to cringe.
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[video=youtube_share;_epjAMuS8Wo]http://youtu.be/_epjAMuS8Wo[/video]

noco · 30 November 2014

So_Cynical said:
LOL seriously you guys have the knifes out after just 6 back flips and one election spanking...what a turn around. :grinsking

We never see you lefties doing anything like that...even though Rudd/Gillard/Rudd made a bigger mess than what Abbott is trying to do to unravel that mess, you never ever bagged Rudd and Gillard.....you were all too scarred in case your comrades tapped you on the shoulder.

Most of us with any common sense should be able to criticize a party who appears to be on the wrong track

sptrawler · 30 November 2014

So_Cynical said:
LOL seriously you guys have the knifes out after just 6 back flips and one election spanking...what a turn around. :grinsking

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Maybe it shows they aren't one eyed, rusted on blind faith followers, unlike some others.

On another note, I bet Abbott is wishing he called the double dissilution, just after the election. Hindsight is a great thing.

sptrawler · 30 November 2014

noco said:
I don't see why they should ask the media...

It was tonque in cheek noco.
If Fairfax and the ABC are going to run a similar campaign, against any coalition leager, it will be hard to overcome.

The only one I've seen, who can give as good as he gets, is Morrison. It's a bit of a shame, that the most important criterea for a P/M, is the ability to throw insults and swoon the press.

But Rudd and Gillard showed how important it was.

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