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Labor's long term commitments into health, education and the NDIS were too much and without the revenue to pay for it although they did get Treasury to model a rise in the GST.
 
sptrawler said:
Absolutely, if Abbott failed to remove the carbon tax or the MRRT, you would be screaming their failure from the roof tops.
You say Labor were bleeding tax income, therefore it is up to them to stem those bleeds.

The main tax bleeds, in your words, weren't even canvased for change, during Labors two terms.
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I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree then

Julia said:
Two very fundamental and important points.
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What will you're attitude be when the MYEFO shows a $10B+ increase in the deficit?
 
sydboy007 said:
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree then



What will you're attitude be when the MYEFO shows a $10B+ increase in the deficit?
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I don't see it as dissagrement, we both agree it needs fixing. Where we dissagree is, you are only holding one side of politics to account to fix it.

Whether you like or disslike this Government, at least they are prepared to enact unpopular policy, in an attempt to repair the situation.
At least they have courage of conviction, to do the unpopular thing.

The only unpopular thing Labor did, was introduce the carbon tax, and that was done to placate Bob Brown and the Greens.
 
After Obama's insolence to Abbott whilst his guest in Australia, the first thing Abbott should do, is get even with him. The best way to do this, if he had the balls, would be to pull our forces out of the Middle East.

Mr Obama has previously had a warm personal relationship with Mr Abbott. The President has been a frequent telephone caller to Mr Abbott, almost always with a request for Australian support for a US policy or initiative, from troops for the Middle East, US trade initiatives in Asia, or important regional diplomatic matters, especially those involving security. On every occasion the US President has asked for help, the Australian Prime Minister has provided it
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...te-change-speech/story-fnpebfcn-1227131290194


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Calliope said:
After Obama's insolence to Abbott whilst his guest in Australia, the first thing Abbott should do, is get even with him. The best way to do this, if he had the balls, would be to pull our forces out of the Middle East.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...te-change-speech/story-fnpebfcn-1227131290194


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I don't really think that sort of tripe adds much to the quality of the debate.

However I think Obama's sudden change of mind on climate change is hypocritical to say the least, not that I'm sorry that he's finally come around.

Obama basically gave Rudd the brushoff in Copenhagen when Rudd said urgent action needed to be taken on climate change, and now Obama is trying to present himself as the great world saviour on this issue.

The word "grandstanding" comes to mind.
 
Peter Hartcher at the SMH is delusional if he thinks Tanya Plibersek deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Julie Bishop!

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/bisho...e-the-tallest-structures-20141121-11rlar.html
Bishop and Plibersek: mighty duo scale the tallest structures - November 22, 2014

Bishop is the genuine article. Plibersek is a public sector operator, and views the world through the same goggles as former PM Gillard.

I doubt Plibersek will mind hitching a ride on the Bishop bandwagon though!
 
SirRumpole said:
Wouldn't surprise me if he was a founding member of the Fabian Society too

:rolleyes:
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Shhhhhhhh, don't mention that The Fabian Society....it has become a dirty word with the left wing socialists, particularly in the Green/Labor left wing socialist party here in Australia.....I listened to AM agenda today and Matt Thistlewait thinks Obama is a good fellow.
 
noco said:
It is a well fact Obama is an out and out left wing socialist hence his recent provocation of Abbott......it all adds up.
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A well fact? Are you sure it's not an ill fact?

Or seeing as it's all wet, maybe it's a waterfall fact?

No. I'd say it's probably a bore fact.

And as it's not a fact at all, it's just a bore. :)
 
noco said:
It is a well fact Obama is an out and out left wing socialist hence his recent provocation of Abbott......it all adds up.
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Would a socialist president have OK'd putting a bullet in Osama's head and dumping him at sea and deported more illegal immigrants than Bush?

I suppose you'd prob call his rolling out of more health care to the poor as socialism, even though it's been shown to have caused health care costs to fall.
 
Calliope said:
After Obama's insolence to Abbott whilst his guest in Australia, the first thing Abbott should do, is get even with him. The best way to do this, if he had the balls, would be to pull our forces out of the Middle East.
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Any such tit for tat behaviour would just be to bring Australia down to Obama's level and wouldn't be to our credit.
Obama has embarrassed himself with his rejection of the usual diplomatic protocols when a guest in another country, particularly egregious in view of Australia's willingness to support America in war.

Apparently even the American ambassador warned Obama against such a message in his speech, and a copy of the speech was not made available to the host country prior to its being delivered which is customary.

Better to leave it to the competent Julie Bishop who seems to have it in hand:
The Australian this week revealed the Queensland government, as host of last weekend’s G20 summit in Brisbane, was considering a formal complaint to Washington over what it saw as an insulting and provocative speech by the US President that was based on “misinformation” about management of the Great Barrier Reef.

It is understood that US offic*ials contacted the Queensland government after the revelation in The Australian.


The Foreign Minister, in New York to chair UN Security Council terrorism talks, this morning said she was “surprised” by Mr Obama’s remarks and had since sent a “detailed briefing” to the Oval Office on the issue.

Ms Bishop said state and federal agencies had banned resource exploration and capital dredge dumping near the Great Barrier Reef, and were contributing $180 million annually to manage the health of the reef.

“I wanted to ensure the White House was well aware of the significant steps that the Australian government and the Queensland government were taking to ensure that the Great Barrier Reef is not threatened by climate change, by nutrient run off from agriculture, by mining or drilling,” she told Sky News.

Ms Bishop said she personally made clear Australia’s position on the reef to the US Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, only days before the Brisbane speech.

Mr Obama, speaking at the University of Queensland on Saturday, said climate change “here in Australia” means “longer droughts, more wildfires” and “the incredible natural glory of the Great Barrier Reef is threatened”.
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The irony in the situation is that Mr Putin, who was treated with some disdain during his visit, has subsequently remarked that he found the atmosphere at the G20 constructive and hospitable (or words to that effect).

And just btw, didn't Kevin Rudd engage in a very similar faux pas when he went to China soon after being elected when he lectured them about human rights?
That was just as much in poor taste imo.

Obama must be feeling very irrelevant when he has to engage in this sort of stuff, "grandstanding" as Rumpole so accurately portrays it.
 
sptrawler said:
I don't see it as dissagrement, we both agree it needs fixing. Where we dissagree is, you are only holding one side of politics to account to fix it.

Whether you like or disslike this Government, at least they are prepared to enact unpopular policy, in an attempt to repair the situation.
At least they have courage of conviction, to do the unpopular thing.

The only unpopular thing Labor did, was introduce the carbon tax, and that was done to placate Bob Brown and the Greens.
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Abbott made no changes to the 13/14 FY budget - by your logic he owns that increase in the deficit as he had nearly 9 months to do something.

He's not introduced anything that would tackle the massive deficit heading in for the current FY budget. The GP co payment doesn't help reduce the deficit. The uni funding changes don't help either. Reducing funding to the ATO, ASIC and ABS will be to the long term detriment of the Govt. The ABS is no longer able to provide reliable employment stats. CPI figures will likely be less reliable as well. The Government seems to be half blinding itself during a period where they need the most accurate and timely information they can get to help determine what action needs to be taken. The ATO has less staff for compliance, so revenue leakage is likely to increase.

What unpopular policy has the Govt actually enacted that will help repair the budget shortfall? The fuel excise increase is small change. Doesn't even make up for the revenue lost to removing the carbon tax.

The current Govt has reduced revenue more than it's increased taxation or cut spending. How is that helping to repair the budget? Do you agree with making under 30s who lose their jobs through no fault fo their own havign to wait 6 months to get welfare support? Even if that measure was enacted, it once again doesn't make up for the loss of even the MRRT revenue.

I can sort of understand your argument to wait for the tax white paper, but surely there was some decent spending cuts or tax increases that could have been introduced over the last 14 months? Hockey has said there wont be any changes to the budget settings when the MYEFO is released, so that means the current growth in the deficit will remain uncehcked till at least the next budget. Surely if the $10B increase in the deficit that is being forecast turns out to be correct then the Govt should take action before the next budget? What's a valid reason to do nothing for 6 months?

So Abbott has already racked up $48.5B in debt, and it's now looking like the current budget deficit will be at least $40B, possibly more if the fall in I/O, Coal and LNG prices continues. We're prob only halfway through the fall in the ToT when compared to previous rise and falls, which is only down 25% from the 2011 peak. The revenue bleed is unlikely to stop any time soon. It'll be interesting to see fi the Govt is willign to adjut it's revenue forecasts for the next 3 years.

So exactly when can we expect Abbott and Hockey to start cut spending / raising revenue to balance the books? The urgency they had on this issue in opposition seems to be lacking now they're in Govt.
 
ghotib said:
A well fact? Are you sure it's not an ill fact?

Or seeing as it's all wet, maybe it's a waterfall fact?

No. I'd say it's probably a bore fact.

And as it's not a fact at all, it's just a bore. :)
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Sorry, I should have said , "it is a well known fact".
I have cataracts on my eyes and I don't see the screen too well these days.....hoping the problem will be fixed very soon.
 
sydboy007 said:
Would a socialist president have OK'd putting a bullet in Osama's head and dumping him at sea and deported more illegal immigrants than Bush?

I suppose you'd prob call his rolling out of more health care to the poor as socialism, even though it's been shown to have caused health care costs to fall.
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Hmmmm.....I thought there was a vast difference between a socialist and a Muslim...a socialist has a communist trait, where as a Muslim follows Islam.....or can you be both?..........you could have fooled me.
 
noco said:
Hmmmm.....I thought there was a vast difference between a socialist and a Muslim...a socialist has a communist trait, where as a Muslim follows Islam.....or can you be both?..........you could have fooled me.
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Are you calling Obama a Muslim ?
 
Julia said:
Any such tit for tat behaviour would just be to bring Australia down to Obama's level and wouldn't be to our credit.
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In the link I provided;

On every occasion the US President has asked for help, the Australian Prime Minister has provided it
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I think some action is needed to show Obama after his gross bad manners, that we cannot be taken for granted. Julie bishop should tell the Americans that they can no longer assume we are at their beck and call like lapdogs.

Tanya Plibersek on the other hand loved Obama'a speech, and;

Opposition foreign affairs spokeswoman Tanya Plibersek yesterday accused Ms Bishop of “berating” the President and said Ms Bishop had created an “absurd” situation.
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sydboy007 said:
Abbott made no changes to the 13/14 FY budget - by your logic he owns that increase in the deficit as he had nearly 9 months to do something.

He's not introduced anything that would tackle the massive deficit heading in for the current FY budget. The GP co payment doesn't help reduce the deficit. The uni funding changes don't help either. Reducing funding to the ATO, ASIC and ABS will be to the long term detriment of the Govt. The ABS is no longer able to provide reliable employment stats. CPI figures will likely be less reliable as well. The Government seems to be half blinding itself during a period where they need the most accurate and timely information they can get to help determine what action needs to be taken. The ATO has less staff for compliance, so revenue leakage is likely to increase.

What unpopular policy has the Govt actually enacted that will help repair the budget shortfall? The fuel excise increase is small change. Doesn't even make up for the revenue lost to removing the carbon tax.

The current Govt has reduced revenue more than it's increased taxation or cut spending. How is that helping to repair the budget? Do you agree with making under 30s who lose their jobs through no fault fo their own havign to wait 6 months to get welfare support? Even if that measure was enacted, it once again doesn't make up for the loss of even the MRRT revenue.

I can sort of understand your argument to wait for the tax white paper, but surely there was some decent spending cuts or tax increases that could have been introduced over the last 14 months? Hockey has said there wont be any changes to the budget settings when the MYEFO is released, so that means the current growth in the deficit will remain uncehcked till at least the next budget. Surely if the $10B increase in the deficit that is being forecast turns out to be correct then the Govt should take action before the next budget? What's a valid reason to do nothing for 6 months?

So Abbott has already racked up $48.5B in debt, and it's now looking like the current budget deficit will be at least $40B, possibly more if the fall in I/O, Coal and LNG prices continues. We're prob only halfway through the fall in the ToT when compared to previous rise and falls, which is only down 25% from the 2011 peak. The revenue bleed is unlikely to stop any time soon. It'll be interesting to see fi the Govt is willign to adjut it's revenue forecasts for the next 3 years.

So exactly when can we expect Abbott and Hockey to start cut spending / raising revenue to balance the books? The urgency they had on this issue in opposition seems to be lacking now they're in Govt.
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OMG Syd, when are you going to stop repeating yourself about what Abbott is not doing enough to cut expenditure.

Are you so brainwashed that you cannot see what Abbott is trying to do is being hampered by a bloody minded senseless senate....The Green/Labor socialist left wing Party are offering no suggestions on how to fix the mess left by Labor.

Are you so naive or ignorant that you don't understand what is happening in Canberra.......The Fabians do not want to see the Abbott Government succeed.......they have not one bit of interest in the welfare of this nation except, borrow more, tax more and go into more debt and deficit.

Please don't come back with that stupid argument that Abbott knocked everything Rudd/Gillard/Rudd tried to push through the senate......we all know she had a majority in the senate to rubber stamp all legislation sent there from the lower house.

So please come back to Earth and get your comrades to show some respect and good will for Australia.
 
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