The Abbott Government

Tisme · 20 October 2014

Julia said:
This has turned into a petty argument about something insignificant.

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because I just dislike that sort of judgement with its patronising assumptions that the average Australian is naive enough to just accept everything which is aired by some news organisation.

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Yes, but is what I postulated true?

There could be many reasons why "we" accept Newscorp stories as resembling fact or the polar opposite. It could be habit, naivety, ambivalence, antipathy to alternative views, tribalism, etc., but anyway I look at it there is an oligopoly within the news media and a great aversion to reasonable facts, usually by omission, to allow us the opportunity to form an opinion.

Patronising, condescending, contemptuous, pejorative, ... all loaded words that can muffle debate, but don't change facts.

Tisme · 20 October 2014

noco said:
Th PPL is paid for by a levy on big business...

I haven't delved into the peccadillos of the PPL, but does the contribution by big business cover all the costs, does big business offset tax against the contribution, does the Govt foot the bill for administration and disbursements, etc?

I can't see the LNP lumbering costs onto the corporates when they used a cocked rifle of levies and taxes against the Labor govt to gain office.

Tisme · 20 October 2014

noco said:
BTW.....I did vote for Bob Hawke once so I am not biased.

A whole lot of farmers switched votes for Gough too.

I was being lectured last week by a friend who is not just a rusted on or galvanised LNP voter, but eutectically at one with his political masters... or at least that was upto recently wherein he has nothing positive to say about the present QLD govt. I'm wondering if he is a bellwether.

noco · 20 October 2014

Tisme said:
I haven't delved into the peccadillos of the PPL, but does the contribution by big business cover all the costs, does big business offset tax against the contribution, does the Govt foot the bill for administration and disbursements, etc?

I can't see the LNP lumbering costs onto the corporates when they used a cocked rifle of levies and taxes against the Labor govt to gain office.

I am not sure what the cost of the present Labor scheme is but that cost will be taken into consideration as a credit towards the PPL.

NB. I am not in favour of the PPL.

JamesP · 20 October 2014

The TPP agreements (while quiet now) is what he will forever be remembered for.

Tisme · 20 October 2014

JamesP said:
The TPP agreements (while quiet now) is what he will forever be remembered for.

Given the LNP's obsession with making laws to criminalise people, I expect the TPP will carry punitive provisions to ping Australians based on meta data and free (pirate) downloads? Cheaper medicines or dearer?

SirRumpole · 20 October 2014

Tisme said:
Given the LNP's obsession with making laws to criminalise people, I expect the TPP will carry punitive provisions to ping Australians based on meta data and free (pirate) downloads? Cheaper medicines or dearer?

We really came out of the Aust/US FTA well didn't we ? Our trade deficit with the USA has doubled or thereabouts.

Patents on medicines were extended favouring the big pharmaceuticals as was copyrights on literary and musical works also favouring US writers and musicians. And we had to wait 20 years for access to US beef markets.

What sort of crawling wimps did we send to argue our interests in that agreement ?

SirRumpole · 20 October 2014

Tisme said:
Yes, but is what I postulated true?

Judged by the posts of at least one here who keeps parotting right wing rags like the Courier Mail and Herald Sun, you may well have made a correct postulation.

orr · 20 October 2014

I'm full of confidence in more than a few aspects of this government; not least that Bronwyn Bishop will only become more and more Bezzurka......... been a long while if ever she's been victim of a wolf whistle, but she blows a mean dog one......

drsmith · 20 October 2014

SirRumpole said:
Judged by the posts of at least one here who keeps parotting right wing rags like the Courier Mail and Herald Sun, you may well have made a correct postulation.

Fairfax and bias go well together.

Today's example is the following headline,

Offshore detention centres: annual costs hit $1 billion

Last paragraph of the story,

The estimates committee also heard that 164 asylum seekers arrived in Australia during this calendar year, compared with 20,711 arrivals in the previous year. The big drop had saved the government $2.5 billion, the estimates hearing was told.

That should be the headline.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nual-costs-hit-1-billion-20141020-118s6i.html

Let's also not forget that former Labor messiah Kevin Rudd said something about housing 10,000 at Manus.

How much would have that cost ?

noco · 20 October 2014

Tisme said:
I haven't delved into the peccadillos of the PPL, but does the contribution by big business cover all the costs, does big business offset tax against the contribution, does the Govt foot the bill for administration and disbursements, etc?

I can't see the LNP lumbering costs onto the corporates when they used a cocked rifle of levies and taxes against the Labor govt to gain office.

So refreshing to note you can express a difference of opinion without attempting to character assassinate someone who may not agree with you.....we have one here who does not know any other way.

overhang · 21 October 2014

drsmith said:
Fairfax and bias go well together.

Today's example is the following headline,

Last paragraph of the story,

That should be the headline.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...nual-costs-hit-1-billion-20141020-118s6i.html

Let's also not forget that former Labor messiah Kevin Rudd said something about housing 10,000 at Manus.

How much would have that cost ?

Completely agree Drsmith, just seems like an attempt by Fairfax to undermine what has been the Abbott governments most successful policy.

Knobby22 · 21 October 2014

Someone should send it to Media Watch. They love this sort of stuff.

IFocus · 21 October 2014

drsmith said:
Fairfax and bias go well together.

The best Fairfax can be called today is a tabloids organisation or TV guide.

drsmith · 23 October 2014

When the next ReachTEL poll comes out, it's got my input.

Logique · 24 October 2014

The Friend of the Worker and beer sculler has little chance of being bothered by blue collar types in his Lower North Shore, Sydney Harbour pile. Complete with sous chef fish waiter living in the harbourside boatshed. The white house in the pic.

Look away boilermakers, builders and health workers, there are no class traitors here.

Four stories, with a lift. Bob would have done better to have refused Annabel Crabb's Kitchen Cabinet offer, as John Howard sensibly did.

Knobby22 · 24 October 2014

I didn't realise former Labor Prime Ministers were meant to live in worker's cottages and leave the grand houses to the "right" people.
Is he bringing the neighbourhood down Logique? He did go to Oxford you know so might be able to engage in sensible conversation at the rowing club.

As far as I am concerned, good on him, success desreves rewards.
Howard did not come from a wealthy family but I would expect him to enjoy success also.

Good on Hawke for going on the show.
I hope Howard reconsiders.

orr · 25 October 2014

Knobby22 said:
Is he bringing the neighbourhood down Logique? He did go to Oxford you know s

Good on Hawke for going on the show.
I hope Howard reconsiders.

Hawke went to Oxford on a Rhodes Scholarship ... That is a very public scholarship with well known parameters on the standards required for obtaining it. Tony enjoyed his too.
Did any of Hawke's kiddy's enjoy a very secret scholarship doled out as a political favour to the value of $60 odd grand by a strong supporter of the labor party? as Tony's Daughter has from one of his party's sops.
And then when the secret scholarship was brought to the attention of the public, A very important matter of public interest...... 'crucify' the messenger. Very dangerous to embarrass the powerful..

..... But many apparently accept crooks in the the liberal at what ever level as de rigueur

Credlin as a 'bag lady'; There's a nice thought.

Others, Please post links to News /Lt's coverage of this issue...

drsmith · 25 October 2014

Some interesting insights into the internals of the current government,

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/malco...s-in-ministers-jockeying-20141024-11bd8z.html

sydboy007 · 26 October 2014

noco said:
I am not sure what the cost of the present Labor scheme is but that cost will be taken into consideration as a credit towards the PPL.

NB. I am not in favour of the PPL.

Abbott version is estimated to cost $5.5B, or roughly 3 times the cost of the current system introduced by Labor.

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