Sending our best off to war shouldn't be done lightly IMHO.
Debate in the house forces questions and the government to make their position clear, public statements can be broken backtracked etc statements in the house hold the individual and or government to account.
The British hold to Westminster conventions for good reason Abbott in particular seeks to break and or avoid.
It would also have been interesting to possibly see Labor caught out playing politics rather than policy on this and other matters Shorten continues to play small target politics.
Yes, those are very reasonable points, IF.Debate in the house forces questions and the government to make their position clear, public statements can be broken backtracked etc statements in the house hold the individual and or government to account.
The British hold to Westminster conventions for good reason Abbott in particular seeks to break and or avoid.
It would also have been interesting to possibly see Labor caught out playing politics rather than policy on this and other matters Shorten continues to play small target politics.
And the government is in fact not rushing into it. From both Mr Abbott and Ms Bishop they seem pretty considered before making final decisions.there does not seem to be any rush to get our troops/aircraft there considering the Arab states are already participating.
It would seem at least a bit encouraging that some of the Arab states are being so ready to participate
The Arab states should be the main protagonists against IS, as they have the most to lose. It's a question of how ready and well equipped they are for the battle.
bunyip Asylum seeker thread said:Getting rid of the carbon tax was another sensible move by Abbot – it was an unnecessary burden on industry that was costing jobs while having negligible effect on greenhouse gas emissions.
What about the Abbott government allowing gas prices for consumers and industry to rise 300 percent over the next few years ?
What sort of impact will that have on business and consumers ?
The LNP is open for business is it ? Only for a few gas exporters apparently.
What a crock of a government they are.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2014/s4050467.htm
sptrawler said:You seem to be a bit selective, about who you want to blame for a situation, which has been developing for years.
Are you seem to forget that Labor are now gone and the current government has the chance to correct Labor's mistakes, but no, they are still implementing a policy which will triple domestic gas prices and drive more industries to the wall.
Just how long do you think you can get away with blaming Labor ? They've been gone a year now.
+1. My attitude exactly.For the same amount of time, as you blame LNP for something Labor could have fixed, of course.
I'll judge the LNP at the end of their term, same as I did with Labor, I don't have a problem voting for either.
Well, Rumpole, I had to laugh this evening when an ABC journalist questioned why it was taking so long for Australia to make up its mind!there does not seem to be any rush to get our troops/aircraft there considering the Arab states are already participating.
+1. My attitude exactly.
Well, Rumpole, I had to laugh this evening when an ABC journalist questioned why it was taking so long for Australia to make up its mind!
There will always be the critics. Move quickly and you're accused of failing to apply due consideration and consultation.
Be cautious, and they start jumping up and down about unnecessary delays.
PS, might be good, Rumpole, if you took the occasional break from the refrain and actually recognised some of the positive features of the government, particularly in comparison with the last rabble.
Like sptrawler, I'm entirely happy to credit Labor (and even the Greens when it comes to voluntary euthanasia) with some good ideas and some good people, and even IFocus is occasionally able to acknowledge the failings of his own chosen side.
Just a suggestion.
PS, might be good, Rumpole, if you took the occasional break from the refrain and actually recognised some of the positive features of the government,
Are you seem to forget that Labor are now gone and the current government has the chance to correct Labor's mistakes, but no, they are still implementing a policy which will triple domestic gas prices and drive more industries to the wall.
Just how long do you think you can get away with blaming Labor ? They've been gone a year now.
Given the criticism of the previous Labor governments I don't get why you would use them as a yard stick.
Lets compare this mob against Howard's government................just a slight difference in the speaker and front bench to start with then there are the treasurers.............. plus Howard has been knocking Abbott from the start.
I agree Abbott appears to having a massive problem getting most onside, Howard, Hawke and Keating never suffered from this problem.
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I don't believe any of you who admit to being swinging voters, your parents have skewed you subliminally. I am the only person I know who really is immune to tribal politics ... I am a God!
The rest they have stuffed up.
* allowed the coal companies to controlled power production
* created one of the most unfair budgets in history
* re politicised Infrastructure Australia
* are making a decent education too expensive for many more people
* sold out Australian gas consumers to foreign buyers
* allowed financial advisors to avoid responsibilities to their clients
* is selling a price controller for health insurance premiums
The problem people have in this country is the binary attitude to politics. The Labor tragics hold on to the core policies of the past and the Lib tribe don't necessarily know what the Libs stand for, but at least it's not the over controlling socialist, union owned Labor party.
The truth is that Tony and his cohorts started the most decisive brand of inter party obstructionism and viciousness that we have probably ever seen. It wasn't enough that Rudd & Gillard were at each other, they threw stones like primary schoolers egging on a fight at our nation's expense instead of settling down parliament and galvanising us as a nation to get through and come out on top of the heap; their political ambition outstripped their national pride.
They made their own petards and they are one by one blowing up in their faces, thus the need to be seen as international statesmen warming the UN seat Rudd & Gillard won for the nation, taking their time committing our men and women's lives to war, when the decision has already been made for them by our President Obama.
We all know we have a second tier talent running the show, which is why half of us jump to their defence, why they themselves have to blame the previous incumbents for something they have insufficient nous to modify/fix, why the deficit has doubled under their watch and anyway they aren't Labor so they (Libs) must be doing a good job right?
I don't believe any of you who admit to being swinging voters, your parents have skewed you subliminally. I am the only person I know who really is immune to tribal politics ... I am a God!
The only good thing they have done as a matter of policy is stopped the boats.
* allowed the coal companies to controlled power production.
* created one of the most unfair budgets in history.
* re politicised Infrastructure Australia.
* are making a decent education too expensive for many more people.
* sold out Australian gas consumers to foreign buyers.
* took money from poor people with the copayment and gave them nothing back for it.
* allowed financial advisors to avoid responsibilities to their clients.
* is selling a price controller for health insurance premiums which will result in health insurance being unaffordable for many.
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