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Julia said:
Yep, probably Tony Abbott is behind the entire disaster that is the ME, just so he can play war games and get a lift in the polls.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
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He is milking it though, trying to be the new Menzies, just like Howard tried and surprisingly succeeded somewhat.
 
I like how Abbott says terrorist want to take our freedom away then proceeds to do just that.

This bit is really dark

How much more comfortable you feel knowing that it will be George Brandis deciding when it's OK for ASIO to break into your house or hack your phone without a warrant is one thing. Another is the surreal nature of the debate that caused the Attorney General to announce that torture will be specifically excluded from the list of crimes that an SIO will excuse.

But the sleeper is section 35P, which creates a criminal offence of disclosing information that relates to an SIO, with a penalty of up to five years in prison.

This provision attracted some attention from the Joint Committee. It made a few recommendations for changes that the Government has accepted. None of these should make journalists sleep more comfortably.

The offence catches not just those who leak information, but anyone who republishes it. There are no defences to protect journalists, such as public interest. And note the word "relates". Not just the details of the SIO, but even the fact that it exists, or tangentially connected information, will be caught in the net.

The offence has two elements:

That the person disclosed information; and
That the information related to an SIO.

That's it. All that has to be proved is that the disclosure was intentional (not accidental), and that the person making it was reckless as to whether it related to an SIO. They don't have to have known that the SIO even existed and, of course, how could they? SIOs are extremely secret squirrel.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/bradley-press-freedom-sidelined-in-pursuit-of-security/5761364
 
noco said:
Julia, I hope you are not serious.
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No, of course not. Just indulging in some rare sarcasm which seems an appropriate response to some of what is posted above.

Tisme said:
He is milking it though, trying to be the new Menzies, just like Howard tried and surprisingly succeeded somewhat.
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Would you care to outline how, instead, he should be managing this situation?
 
Julia said:
Would you care to outline how, instead, he should be managing this situation?
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Possibly the Theodore Rosevelt doctrine - Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick.

I believe we need to do something to show IS isn't all powerful and that the west will stand up to repugnant militant Islam. A few losses and their aura will fade.

I just don't like the posturing and fear mongering of the Government. The security agencies seem to be doing their jobs effectively with the current laws. Did we need the media whoring of a potentially imminent threat of a 2 man band?

If we're not putting boots on the ground in the middle east, and only contributing a few air planes to the offensive measures, then our bark seems to be bigger than our bite. We seem to be talking as if we're taking a leading role in things when we're not even in the back seat yet.

Terrorists have been exhorting for people to take action against the USA / UK / West for decades. Why are we getting ourselves into such a tizzy over a group that seems to lack reach outside Iraq and Syria? Why are we multiplying the effectiveness of their propaganda machine?

Report new information once, then ignore then. Remove the oxygen and the flames will quickly die off.

A couple of hundred thousand dead Syrians and we barely shed a tear. A couple of westerners beheaded and now we're going to bomb them to kingdom come to use Dubya speak.

Now I'm hearing the USA is sending "moderate" Syrian rebels to a new training facility in Saudi Arabia. Hopefully it pans out a bit better than their last effort where the training base in Jordan provided IS with their military core.
 
medicowallet said:
Yes, he should send the greens over to Iraq to negotiate.

MW
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:D:D:D
Excellent idea. Might solve one of our domestic problems at the same time.

sptrawler said:
Todays stabbing of two policemen and a terrorist shot, kind of blows holes in that theory, dutchie.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25092941/terror-suspect-killed-after-cops-stabbed/

Maybe your and Ifocus's dislike of Abbott, is prejudicing you reasoning.
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I see dutchie has already said he was being sarcastic so has beaten me to it.

ABC Radio reveals once again where its bias lies: in their repeated news reports the sequence of last night's events, they headline:
Man who Made Threats Against PM Shot
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suggesting he was shot because he made threats.

He was shot because he first stabbed an AFP officer several times, this officer now in a critical condition, and a Victoria Police officer twice, then headed with his weapon in toward the police station.

Draw your own conclusions as to his further intentions.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think that is being hyper critical

The headline is obviously accurate.

People can take it however they like, according to their own particular political bias.
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We will have to disagree on this. The headline provides a particular slant which does not include the vital fact that the police retaliated after being attacked.
 
Ban the burka-Bernadi

Cory Bernadi wants the burka banned from Parliament house.

Can't say I blame him this time.

Can you imagine trying to have a conversation with someone looking like this ?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/bernardi-says-burkas-have-no-place-in-parliament-house/5766628
 
drsmith said:
Don't worry IF.

You're safe.

They can't even use you as a feather duster.
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Not surprised by everyone jumping on the nationalistic bandwagon against the baddies (interpretation, suckered by a politician elected on three worded slogans) but I am surprised at how everyone glosses over the loss of freedoms of the press that are very 1984.

What happens when the lunatic communist left wing Fabian unions get back in and start running the country using the same laws......
 
IFocus said:
What happens when the lunatic communist left wing Fabian unions get back in and start running the country using the same laws......
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No worries.

We don't have anything remotely anywhere near that in the Australian political spectrum. ;)
 
SirRumpole said:
Ban the burka-Bernadi

Cory Bernadi wants the burka banned from Parliament house.

Can't say I blame him this time.

Can you imagine trying to have a conversation with someone looking like this ?

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/bernardi-says-burkas-have-no-place-in-parliament-house/5766628
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Don't think any Arab-Australian would be going to visit any Parliament in Australia for a while. So the ban is somewhat unnecessary. But yea, I thought that under any circumstances, if the police or security/migration agent need to verify your ID, you are to remove your hat and facial covers so they can do their verification... no?
 
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