Tisme
Apathetic at Best
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He is certainly not capable of making hard decisions.
You had better hope he doesn't learn by the next election, because he is likely to start up witch hunt commissions, Abbott style against your team in two years....and given the extensive corruption of the NSW Lib party and his broken pledges there is a very high probability there is something fishy in Denmark and to paraphrase another Shakespearean quote, Abbott protests too much about the notion of honesty.
Typical ad hominem attack showing your bias again.
What's the point of having an "off the shelf" weapons system that other people know the capabilities of ? The work has been done fixing problems, but all the Abbott government is concerned about is money. That is why we will soon have no car industry, and by the end of Abbott's term, no industrial capability at all.
Don't talk to us about "Team Australia" , Mr Abbott, you don't know the meaning of the word.
Rumpy, you have to cleanse your mind of the socialism mentality......socialism believes in industry owned by the state and this why it has failed in the past and will fail again......you just cannot keep propping up unprofitable ventures like the car or ship building industry....if they cannot stand on their own two feet then they deserve to go out of business.....that is what free enterprise is all about....Don't blame Abbott for the car industry closing up shop....that was happening long before Abbott cam on the scene.......you know full well why they are going so lets not pretend you do not know.
It all depends on how it is run.....I have had 4 business ventures in my life time and always succeeded where others have failed.....one show I bought was running at a loss because the previous owners had no idea of innovation, selling or marketing knowledge....they deserved to go broke and the business would have gone had I not taken it over....Many businesses go broke for many reasons and the unions are one of them.
Yes, a lot of businesses deserve to go broke for various reasons, hard line unions and management incompetence among them.
There are other industries which are important, if not essential to the national interest, and high tech manufacturing is one of them, exemplified by the auto and submarine industries, and they don't belong to the "free market" ideology that you espouse.
Yes, a lot of businesses deserve to go broke for various reasons, hard line unions and management incompetence among them.
There are other industries which are important, if not essential to the national interest, and high tech manufacturing is one of them, exemplified by the auto and submarine industries, and they don't belong to the "free market" ideology that you espouse.
Typical ad hominem attack showing your bias again.
What's the point of having an "off the shelf" weapons system that other people know the capabilities of ? The work has been done fixing problems, but all the Abbott government is concerned about is money. That is why we will soon have no car industry, and by the end of Abbott's term, no industrial capability at all.
Don't talk to us about "Team Australia" , Mr Abbott, you don't know the meaning of the word.
Why not?.....we can buy subs from Japan, Germany and France...isn't that the free market?
Yeah, but where do we get spare parts from during WWIII?
Which reminds me, where am I going to get spare parts for my Falcon now that Ford has pulled out of Australia? Thanks Tony.
Noco, you must have been a supporter of "Pig Iron Bob" Menzies policy of sending crude iron to Japan so they could make weapons to use against us?
I'm not sure about submarines specifically, but in general terms this "free" market is a government subsidised one.Why not?.....we can buy subs from Japan, Germany and France...isn't that the free market?
Well, about time someone was concerned about money. If your Labor government had been permitted to hold sway, they'd have had no compunction about increasing debt levels with no thought about ultimate accountability.The work has been done fixing problems, but all the Abbott government is concerned about is money.
Well, about time someone was concerned about money. If your Labor government had been permitted to hold sway, they'd have had no compunction about increasing debt levels with no thought about ultimate accountability.
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Well, about time someone was concerned about money. If your Labor government had been permitted to hold sway, they'd have had no compunction about increasing debt levels with no thought about ultimate accountability.
The Abbott government has made mistakes, but the underlying philosophy of trying to ensure the country in forthcoming years is able to withstand shocks, and to provide the funding for essential services is sound, along with the general liberal philosophy of encouraging people not to depend on governments for what they should be doing for themselves.
Their greatest fault has, imo, been failure to properly gauge the mood of the electorate and therefore to take the people along with their well intentioned ideas. Hopefully, there is now some recognition of this, along with the regrettable need to engage with an inexperienced set of people on the Senate cross benches, and they will improve their public relations from now on.
From a defence perspective, it seems a bad idea to be buying "off the shelf" equipment manufactured overseas. Do that and should we need to use it in anger, well then (1) our capabilities become extremely well known and (2) we are reliant on foreigners for ongoing support.
That sounds a bit like having the plans for your building security system prominently displayed in the front window for all to see. Should anyone want to break in, they'll know exactly how to evade or disable the system. Same concept with foreign military equipment really.
I can accept that there might be some price difference in local production versus imports, but a 4:1 ration doesn't sound right to me given that Japan is a developed country with relatively high costs. Something just isn't right there - in short I have trouble believing that it's really such a huge difference to build a comparable submarine. Are we comparing similarly equipped vessels here? Or are we comparing a postie bike with a limousine?
I can accept that there might be some price difference in local production versus imports, but a 4:1 ration doesn't sound right to me given that Japan is a developed country with relatively high costs. Something just isn't right there - in short I have trouble believing that it's really such a huge difference to build a comparable submarine. Are we comparing similarly equipped vessels here? Or are we comparing a postie bike with a limousine?
Syd, it's not my responsibility to be an apologist for the government. I've simply observed a preference for their determination not to continue to rack up debt for future generations to pay.
As you will well know if you've read my past posts, I've criticised plenty of aspects of the government's budget and I don't propose to repeat any of it now.
I'm just not aware of any actions to achieve that goal. Lots of talk but not much in thew way of well created policy. I've yet to see any indication that the budget deficit is under control. The unforseen drop in iron ore and coal prices is going to hit very hard by the end of the year. There doesn't seem to be any acknowledgment as yet that the budget is going to suffer a massive revenue short fall.
We must remember team Australia whereby we must all work together.
In the good times we ask for more and in the bad times we still want more.
As John F.Kennedy once said, "THINK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY AND NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU".
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