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sydboy007 said:
Why is Abbott so wedded to his Chaplaincy program? Surely in a secular country forcing schools to only higher a religious chaplain is not sound policy. Why force schools to sack qualified counsellors?

2 High Court judgements against the program yet Abbott is still determined to have his way. Seems his pig headedness is at PPL levels.

How do you argue that the budget is at emergency levels yet you can throw $250M for school chaplains who are unlikely to have the same level of qualifications as the many counsellors they'll be supplanting?

A PM basing policy on political ideology is one thing, but religious ideology shouldn't have any place when determining how tax payer funds are spent!
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Would be interesting to see if churches or similar religious groups are big financial donors to the Coalition.
 
SirRumpole said:
).... That position is contrary to the Coalition's boast that "Australia is open for business". .
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this is where we all misinterpreted the govt's announcement. The whole statement was "Australia is open for business to cease pesky mercantile industrialisation and return us to our true destiny of the poor white trash of Asia". They can take our freedoms, they can starve us of intelligence and learning, but they can never take our Hills Hoist and Rotary Mower !!!
 
Tisme said:
this is where we all misinterpreted the govt's announcement. The whole statement was "Australia is open for business to cease pesky mercantile industrialisation and return us to our true destiny of the poor white trash of Asia". They can take our freedoms, they can starve us of intelligence and learning, but they can never take our Hills Hoist and Rotary Mower !!!
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Good to have you on board Tisme. The quality of debate index just rose a few points.

:cool:
 
Thankyou Sir Rumpole.

I'm sure there are those who may have trouble adapting to the non binary arguments we are prone to, but I think we owe to the world as a whole to stand up for the clandestine analogues who hide in the shadows. With perseverance we may live to bathe in the sunshine on our skin and see our reflections in a mirror. Until then we must take our victims surreptitiously ....:D
 
Tisme said:
Thankyou Sir Rumpole.

I'm sure there are those who may have trouble adapting to the non binary arguments we are prone to, but I think we owe to the world as a whole to stand up for the clandestine analogues who hide in the shadows. With perseverance we may live to bathe in the sunshine on our skin and see our reflections in a mirror. Until then we must take our victims surreptitiously ....:D
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See you at the next Fabian Society meeting

:D:D:D
 
SirRumpole said:
See you at the next Fabian Society meeting

:D:D:D
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Where, when and what time Rumpy?

Unfortunately poor old Gough has had to put in an apology due to his dementia but you will see Julia, Chris, Jenny and all the greenies....they would not miss a meeting for quids.
 
noco said:
Where, when and what time Rumpy?

Unfortunately poor old Gough has had to put in an apology due to his dementia but you will see Julia, Chris, Jenny and all the greenies....they would not miss a meeting for quids.
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I'm sure they will be glad to see you matey

:D
 
His chaplaincy program is part of the reason he will be one term Tony, pushing his backdated ideology onto Australian schools. This is why we should never have a bible basher as PM. It infuriates me to no end the effort he is going to as to ensure secular workers are kept out of schools, ffs its the 21st century :banghead:
 
I ROFL at Christopher Pyne introducing his education "reforms" into Parliament.

He was bemoaning the fact that Chinese Universities were rapidly rising up the rankings.

Chris old chap, the Chinese universities are GOVERNMENT FINANCED.

Have a think about that before you go in the opposite direction.

He also mentioned that Singapore universities were doing well.

Singapore has 6 universities, 5 public and one private. So exactly how does Pyne link deregulation of universities to the performance of those Universities ?
 
A lot of whinging going on here, a voice from the other side, I agree with Tony.

Good on him :xyxthumbs.
 
SirRumpole said:
I'm sure they will be glad to see you matey

:D
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Rumpy, I would love to go so please tell me where, when and what time?

Could you possibly send me an agenda?....I would be most interested in their discussion.

How do become a member and what qualifications would I need?

Is there a joining fee and how much?
 
Tink said:
A lot of whinging going on here, a voice from the other side, I agree with Tony.

Good on him :xyxthumbs.
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So you have no problem with the Government basically discriminating along the lines of religion? You've got no problem with a fully qualified counsellor losing their job purely because they're not part of an organised religion?

Considering all the long and sordid details coming out at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse how can the PM think forcing schools to sack secular counsellors to bring in a religions chaplain is good policy?

Just wait for the howls of protests if a school in say Lakemba wants to higher a Muslim chaplain.
 
noco said:
Rumpy, I would love to go so please tell me where, when and what time?

Could you possibly send me an agenda?....I would be most interested in their discussion.

How do become a member and what qualifications would I need?

Is there a joining fee and how much?
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Where:The next meeting is somewhere in Nigeria, haven't decided yet, but probably in an Internet Cafe in the desert.

Date: As soon as I get Interpol off my case

Agenda & Qualifications: your signature and bank account details

Joining Fee: As much as you have. USD preferred but Gold Bullion accepted.
 
You know what, Syd, I get sick and tired of you lefties whinging and howling.

Yes, I agree with it, rant on....
 
That is fine, I said I agreed with it, and I am entitled to my view.

A spokesperson for the National School Chaplaincy Association welcomed the government's decision.

"Chaplaincy makes a positive difference in the lives of students and is widely considered the best model of holistic care and welfare, as it provides emotional, social and spiritual support," the spokesperson said.

"While we acknowledge the public opinions of some who are opposed to chaplaincy, much of this is based on misinformation. Chaplains are non-judgmental, non-coercive and support all students regardless of the student's issues or worldview."
 
Tink said:
That is fine, I said I agreed with it, and I am entitled to my view.

A spokesperson for the National School Chaplaincy Association welcomed the government's decision.

"Chaplaincy makes a positive difference in the lives of students and is widely considered the best model of holistic care and welfare, as it provides emotional, social and spiritual support," the spokesperson said.

"While we acknowledge the public opinions of some who are opposed to chaplaincy, much of this is based on misinformation. Chaplains are non-judgmental, non-coercive and support all students regardless of the student's issues or worldview."
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That is what professional secular counselors are for :banghead:

I wonder if your opinion would be different if Muslim clerics were used in most public schools.
 
Overhang, from what I have been told, the counsellors are still there, they work together.
I think there is a lot of misinformation being spread.

It has nothing to do with religion.
 
Tink said:
Overhang, from what I have been told, the counsellors are still there, they work together.
I think there is a lot of misinformation being spread.

It has nothing to do with religion.
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Under the Coalition's Chaplaincy programs, the Chaplains have to be religious, unlike Labor's version which gave schools the money and allowed them to choose the Chaplains, religious or secular.

So, the only conclusion you can draw, is that under the Coalitions plan, it's all about religion.
 
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