skc, my TA knowledge lacks quite a bit but from looking at TGA's chart it looks like its in a downtrend from approx 4/4/2011 through to now and. . .
I wish the SP would stay down at circa $1.50 to allow me to garner the funds to buy another 30,000.
Tonight's your money your call gave the following views.
If the stock price holds at $1.48 support levels, it's likely to head towards $1.70 to $1.80.
But if it breaks below this, wait for next support level at $1.32.
Results due soon, so holders of TGA should wait till then.
I got a small amt last wk at $1.525
I have never understood the rationale for TA, and I have presumed that the wiggles in the graphs are useful in that they reflect the collective thinking of Mr Market. Whether it can usefully inform us what the market is thinking about a tending-to-be illiquid (about $600K a day), micro-cap (less than ($300m) that is relatively tightly held (about half a dozen shareholdes own 60% of the shares), I cannot say, but I suspect not.
For reasons that often make little sense, instos like Perpetual and IOOF may decide to sell a few million dollars of TGA, and this smashes the SP, whereas if it were WOW, that selling pressure is massively muted by the millions that others transact every day. I suspect that TA is not suited to make much sense of this, but, as I wrote, I do not know.
I have never understood the rationale for TA
Perhaps consider that by so categorically rejecting something about which you clearly know nothing, you might well be missing some good opportunities.There's nothing to understand about technical analysis. Its pretence to rationality is hokum! Adapting and adopting what Voltaire said about the Holy Roman Empire, you can say about technical analysis that it is neither technical nor analysis.
As a non-TA aside, if TGA never grew again, it would then need to hold back less of the EPS to fund growth, and hence by diverting retained earnings to buybacks it could continue to grow its EPS, which should be about 20 cents for YE 31/03/2012. This should allow one to establish a basis for calculating a near-worst-case SP. If you locate the Morning Star metrics for the USA-based Rent-A-Center, you will see that growing EPS via buybacks is what Rent-A-Center has been doing for a few years, and it enjoys a PER of 13. There is no reason to believe that TGA is suddenly going to stop growing after about 75 years of existence – it has such a few items in its range, that it can easily expand by adding a mere handful of new items each year, and dropping less profitable items. Rent-A-Center's main rival in the USA, Aaron's, is still growing, and it enjoys a PER of 18 (relative to YE 31/12/2011). US share prices are over priced generally, so I am not suggesting that TGA should enjoy a similar PER.
Quick tangent off the main discussion. If there is a private business with no growth but the usual business / economic risks, how much %pa return would you demand/pay?
12% with control and owner perks.
If sustained selling by two instos, Perpetual and IOOF, is forcing down the TGA SP, exacerbated by trend-is-my-friend selling, then I am unsure if we can predict at what price they would stop selling.
I agree.
12% = PE ~8.3.
So without control one would demand a higher return... i.e. a lower PE.
Does the value change if the company is paying no dividends?
- If the company has no growth then what's all the cash for?
The premise was no growth and full control...
- If the company has no growth then what's all the cash for?
- If the owner has full control then dividend will be paid (or any other way to get the cash out).
If there's no control and no dividend... value is much lower.
I agree.
12% = PE ~8.3.
So without control one would demand a higher return... i.e. a lower PE.
Perhaps consider that by so categorically rejecting something about which you clearly know nothing, you might well be missing some good opportunities.
I know enough about technical analysis to know that you don't find real value "opportunities" as a result of technical analysis. If there is any rationality to technical analysis, it can only be due to something fundamental in the company.
Tell me one great investor who relies solely on TA.
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