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The AMI example when you closed on 4 march 19, it was an up day ?
the large range day and volume on the 11 would have been good place to place a stop below.
 
A good start, aus_trader is to look at all those losses and especially were you got out and why. Or even all those wins and where and why you got out.
Was it technically based or emotional?
Yes good point, I will review all the closed trades to learn from.
 
Two stocks added today to this portfolio. First is Duxton Water Ltd(D2O), which has a utility like quality as it presents an opportunity to invest in Australia's water entitlements to a number of agricultural industries. Also has s good dividend yield which is stable.

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Next stock bought was a media stock, Seven West Media Ltd (SWM) which has been hammered so hard from recent highs around $1.10 level and could be finding some long-held support levels around the 47c. The stock is well known brand which includes Channel 7 television and West Australian Newspapers and Yahoo 7. It also has a multi-year agreement with Cricket Australia, which was always aired on Channel 9 if people remember. So I thought it's worth a punt and offers a moderate 2.6% dividend yield at current prices.

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There is also "Undervalued" estimation from the institutional/brokerage valuations, although I always consider these with a grain of salt.
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Open Portfolio:
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In the Portfolio table, I have not included the 13c dividend on the CSR position which I should be receiving since I held the CSR shares on the 30th of May (yesterday).
 
Small Caps are taking a fair hit and underperforming the All Ordinaries by quite a margin !

I thought to post a quick update on this thread as quite a few people own stocks in this space (including this portfolio) and other members trade in/out of them regularly. My D2O position has gone down 5.4% as well today, but I am still holding.

Below is the underperformance of Small Caps vs All Ord's:

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Here are some of the contributors which are mostly in the Small to Mid Cap space except SVW which is a Large Cap:

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The best sector today was Gold mining and Gold related stocks, see below as nearly all top gainers today were Small/Medium Gold miners:

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Even Newcrest was Up a lot for a Giant Cap:

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I added a speculative Gold miner that hasn't run up as hard to this portfolio but will update details later in the stock table. Company is Perseus Mining Limited (PRU).
 
Small Caps are taking a fair hit and underperforming the All Ordinaries by quite a margin !
Oh yeah, I felt the pain today! The general market fall + the small cap addition fall + that individual stocks are more volatile than an index, all adds up to plenty of fun.

I give my stocks sufficient wiggle room, and I've been pleased to see that even with the recent drops we've been having, none of my stocks have hit any safety barriers I have in place. But they know where the chopping block is if they underperform.
 
Oh yeah, I felt the pain today! The general market fall + the small cap addition fall + that individual stocks are more volatile than an index, all adds up to plenty of fun.

I give my stocks sufficient wiggle room, and I've been pleased to see that even with the recent drops we've been having, none of my stocks have hit any safety barriers I have in place. But they know where the chopping block is if they underperform.
Good to hear that you have allowed sufficient wiggle room, I have been caught out too many times not doing this only to see stocks rising higher without me :cry:

Just make sure you stick to your plan though in case things go into a bear market territory which we haven't had in a long time...
 
I have been caught out too many times not doing this only to see stocks rising higher without me :cry:
And that's a grey area between cutting your losses early and being a hero in a severe downturn, and cutting too early and being stopped out unnecessary in a momentary dip. I don't think there's an "best answer" to how much wiggle room you should leave.
Just make sure you stick to your plan though in case things go into a bear market territory which we haven't had in a long time...
You're right it has been a long time. I've spent some time of late, mulling over future bear markets and tweaking my plan.
 
You're right it has been a long time. I've spent some time of late, mulling over future bear markets and tweaking my plan.
Yes it's easy to forget that market can go in both directions especially when we have had a fairly good run since GFC and globally (e.g. US) markets have been soaring.

Even in the property market people can be disillusioned. Especially the young generation who believe that property can only go in one direction. Who can blame them when all they've seen in their whole life is the last 20+ years of property boom in Australia.
 
Added two companies to the portfolio. First is 5G Networks Ltd (5GN) a company in the leading telecom area and the other is Orthocell Ltd (OCC),a biotech punt.

I normally stay away from small biotech companies since they are harder to predict than the winner on Melbourne Cup day. OCC however is in 'regenerative medicine', an area that has a lot of future potential based on my research. Other triggers are (1) Their recent results from patient trial and (2) recent capital raising so they have sufficient cash for a while.

Open Portfolio:
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And that's a grey area between cutting your losses early and being a hero in a severe downturn, and cutting too early and being stopped out unnecessary in a momentary dip. I don't think there's an "best answer" to how much wiggle room you should leave.

You're right it has been a long time. I've spent some time of late, mulling over future bear markets and tweaking my plan.
Hi Zaxon , using a index filter will at least stop you from getting into more trades when it turns south if you use a system to pick the stocks to enter. Also can signal when to tighten your trailing stop or change the type of stop you would use in those conditions as stated in other threads.
 
Hi Zaxon , using a index filter will at least stop you from getting into more trades when it turns south
I think that's a good idea. If you're in a bear market, it's no use entering the market on the hopes that some shiny stock will buck the trend. In sideways markets, however, it becomes this grey area of making profits with one stock, then giving it all back with another.
 
willoneau/Zaxon, what do you guys reckon about using a moving average type simple indicator as the index filter ? Problem is as Zaxon mentioned, it's going to chop up and down like crazy and pretty useless in a sideways market. What are the methods used by others ?

Is there a better way e.g. % drop ? I've read in many forums and articles that a 20% drop in the index is considered as the start of a bear market.
 
what do you guys reckon about using a moving average type simple indicator as the index filter ?
I think an indicator such as a moving average is ideal. A MA, by definition, is a lagging average. So if the index retraces all the way back to below a MA, then you can argue the trend is over.

The only question is how many days should that MA be? I don't think you'll find consensus on a particular figure.
Problem is as Zaxon mentioned, it's going to chop up and down like crazy and pretty useless in a sideways market.
That's right. You could wait until the market fell below the MA sufficiently to "prove itself" before reacting. For instance, if the market trends below the MA for a week or two and continues downward, you could retrospectively call the MA cross the start of a "real" correction or bear market. Kind of like The Fed gives an initial GDP figure, and then confirms or retrospectively revises it a month later.
Is there a better way e.g. % drop ? I've read in many forums and articles that a 20% drop in the index is considered as the start of a bear market.
That's the official definition. I'd argue it's really no better. What do you call a market that drops by 20% from its peak, and then sideways trends for 3 years. Is it a bear market? Yes. But also it's not going down anymore, so no. I feel it has the same limitations at the moving average cross.

I guess a better definition of a bear market is one where each month's low is lower than the previous month. Or something along those lines.

An excellent question btw.
 
I think an indicator such as a moving average is ideal. A MA, by definition, is a lagging average. So if the index retraces all the way back to below a MA, then you can argue the trend is over.

The only question is how many days should that MA be? I don't think you'll find consensus on a particular figure.

That's right. You could wait until the market fell below the MA sufficiently to "prove itself" before reacting. For instance, if the market trends below the MA for a week or two and continues downward, you could retrospectively call the MA cross the start of a "real" correction or bear market. Kind of like The Fed gives an initial GDP figure, and then confirms or retrospectively revises it a month later.

That's the official definition. I'd argue it's really no better. What do you call a market that drops by 20% from its peak, and then sideways trends for 3 years. Is it a bear market? Yes. But also it's not going down anymore, so no. I feel it has the same limitations at the moving average cross.

I guess a better definition of a bear market is one where each month's low is lower than the previous month. Or something along those lines.

An excellent question btw.
Excellent response to the question too Zaxon. I think moving averages and other indicators are warning signs and could be used to manage individual stock positions. The 20% drop on the index is the last line of defence for deciding drastic action such as portfolio liquidation. I am putting a plan together along these lines to avoid the pain experienced during the GFC. The lessons learnt from GFC should not be forgotten otherwise I will make the same mistakes again next time.
 
Hi aus_trader, a simple MA on the index will work fine as it there to stop you taking another trade and pay attention to the trades you have on. No indicator will be perfect but having one should help, go back and test your closed positions with and without a filter to see if your bottom line improves with it?
 
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