So is the COVID-19 drama over, or will this go on for some time?

[sptrawler]

Agreed but my thinking is summed up by a question: What is so different about this virus which has prompted the response it has received?

It's not the first virus to emerge in the past few years so what has prompted such a massive response to this one?

The only answer I can come up with is that someone, that is government, either knows something or at least thinks they know something which warrants the response received. Something to the effect that it doesn't simply kill a few people who were at the end of their lives anyway and which warrants spending $ trillions to avoid.

Why no such response with SARS, MERS, bird flu, swine flu and so on?

What prompted an immediate all out response to this versus basically no response to any other virus?

I won't claim to know the answer but I can only assume someone does and that's the reason.

Don't start talking logics and common sense smurf, that went out the window 20 years ago, these days you get a medal for not having any.

 

[macca]

The other option would be simply blocking all movement, no exceptions, in and out of the two big cities until things are sorted there.

The other 60% of the Australian population can then resume life as normal and after a few months those in the closed off area will be fed up with it to the point they'll do whatever it takes to bring it to an end. That's when we do a proper lockdown in Sydney and Melbourne and eradicate it

That doesn't sort out the international situation but it sorts out the domestic one if it could be done.

I agree but we are still facing the fact that when the international borders reopen it will start all over again.

Do we then close Oz down for another 6 months, incur another load of debt that the future generations have to suffer to repay.

There is no easy answer, there is not even an obvious answer but the truth is that we cannot afford to stay in lock down.

I do believe the younger generation look at the ages of the deceased and feel that it won't affect them so keep on ignoring it.

Maybe if a few of them get it and are sick it might sink in that we all need to mask up, respect social distancing and avoid crowds as much as possible.

Take Vitamin D or get some sunshine and exercise, if we can give people some way of easing the symptoms I do believe they will embrace that as a positive move.

Oz medical are dragging the chain as usual, common knowledge OS, not a squeak here

 

[sptrawler]

I agree but we are still facing the fact that when the international borders reopen it will start all over again.

Do we then close Oz down for another 6 months, incur another load of debt that the future generations have to suffer to repay.

There is no easy answer, there is not even an obvious answer but the truth is that we cannot afford to stay in lock down.

IMO there is every possibility that the International borders wont open for a long time, quarantine will be option for travellers that is if we can keep a lid on it here, if not well it wont matter anyway.
Just my thoughts.

 

[tech/a]

If community transmission is let loose which I think has happened in Vic
There will be no stopping it in my opinion.
So in the not too distant future Victorian’s like it or not will just have to live with it in their own microcosm.

if other states aren’t diligent they will go the same way.

until a cure and or vaccine.
Bleak for many

 

[IFocus]

What a load of crap. Even the people who actually die have an average age of barely below the average life expectancy.

Actually not true for the thousands of medical staff that died world wide!

 

[Sdajii]

Yea, but you've seen the stats. Saying everyone is very old that dies is not true.

I literally never said or implied that.

From Worldometer: So far there has been 1 death every 1,166 people under 65 years old (compared to 1 death every 358 people in the general population). And 89% of the times, the person who died had one or more underlying medical conditions.

Right... this backs up what I'm saying... what point are you trying to make?

 

[Sdajii]

Agreed but my thinking is summed up by a question: What is so different about this virus which has prompted the response it has received?

It's not the first virus to emerge in the past few years so what has prompted such a massive response to this one?

The only answer I can come up with is that someone, that is government, either knows something or at least thinks they know something which warrants the response received. Something to the effect that it doesn't simply kill a few people who were at the end of their lives anyway and which warrants spending $ trillions to avoid.

Why no such response with SARS, MERS, bird flu, swine flu and so on?

What prompted an immediate all out response to this versus basically no response to any other virus?

I won't claim to know the answer but I can only assume someone does and that's the reason.

In this case, China has firm control over the WHO (they installed a puppet to be the head of it, who doesn't even have medical qualifications. I'm literally more qualified for the position than he is, but unlike him I'm not a communist who can be bribed). China put out a massive scare propaganda campaign with the assistance of the influence they've been gaining over the last decade or so and had the WHO push this agenda. Governments are run by politicians, not scientists, so they readily followed the advice given to them, and the population by and large wanted it thanks to the media influence.

 

[Sdajii]

Actually not true for the thousands of medical staff that died world wide!

If you understand the difference between average (mean) and individual cases, please apply this knowledge to answer this post for yourself. If not, request the necessary education and I'll explain the difference to you.

It certainly is very peculiar, some may use other adjectives, that in the early stages of the pandemic, medical staff had a tremendously higher risk of fatality from the virus than the general population of the same age ever has (comparing per capita infections, and please don't respond until you understand 'per capita' and apply it appropriately - if you don't understand this mathematical term I can explain it too).

 

[qldfrog]

Agreed but my thinking is summed up by a question: What is so different about this virus which has prompted the response it has received?

It's not the first virus to emerge in the past few years so what has prompted such a massive response to this one?

The only answer I can come up with is that someone, that is government, either knows something or at least thinks they know something which warrants the response received. Something to the effect that it doesn't simply kill a few people who were at the end of their lives anyway and which warrants spending $ trillions to avoid.

Why no such response with SARS, MERS, bird flu, swine flu and so on?

What prompted an immediate all out response to this versus basically no response to any other virus?

I won't claim to know the answer but I can only assume someone does and that's the reason.

Very very true, if you remember, I was in the alarmist camp initially as i witnessed first hand the Chinese reaction and was buying my masks in january.
While nasty, I do not deny this, I also saw the actual effect in Europe, a real first wave and decimated dying yards..aged care or end of life establishments.
But then it became ore and more obvious it is used as a pretext:
right now, all of France is in holiday, very few restrictions to be honest there yet 1000's of known clusters, a dozen of deaths a day

as many infections as you want to find/test
I know this is summer and blind Freddy can see the actual correlation (which some still deny..duhhh) but it is not that bad or is it?
the ones who "had to die" did and it would not surprise me if the mortality in the next 2 years or so actually decrease overall .you will always find exceptions, young dead..who might have a stroke anyway otherwise, who knows.. but enormous majority old/very old people
I read above:
"So far there has been 1 death every 1,166 people under 65 years old (compared to 1 death every 358 people in the general population)"
pure BS->maybe these figures are valid for people who are tested and sick; plenty of studies showing more than 75% of people affected do NOT EVEN have fever..so the use of thermal camera..let me laugh
So at worst the above figures are for the 25% who are actually sick from the virus
And most are already sick and weak..
Anyway, this aggravated view and overreaction is a scam and for a purpose in my opinion.
can we blame it on Trump?



I am now convinced this is used as a pretext.
What for?
Well look at the current state of libertes, laws, freedom restriction, mass propaganda;
A convenient way to stop kicking the GFC can and start new experimentation: universal income: aka jobKeeper/jobSeeker, hot cold war with china, you name it
This is the great reset with the frightened sheeple walking in cadence all over the world

 

[Smurf1976]

I agree but we are still facing the fact that when the international borders reopen it will start all over again.

Agreed but I'd think that a fully functioning and "safe" domestic economy would be a huge improvement over what we've got now at least.

 

[sptrawler]

Well frog, it is either one or the other, thats for sure.

 

[qldfrog]

Well frog, it is either one or the other, thats for sure.

And my opinion has changed from serious human threat to a pretext scam based on facts and a love of figures vs brainwashing.
I am contrarian by nature
Similar to the my researches on CO2 GW but here we have clear figures of total deaths

 

[sptrawler]

And my opinion has changed from serious human threat to a pretext scam based on facts and a love of figures vs brainwashing.
I am contrarian by nature
Similar to the my researches on CO2 GW but here we have clear figures of total deaths

How it all plays ouf is out of our control, we have to work with what we have and try to make some money and enjoy what freedoms we have, untill this period blows over.

 

[qldfrog]

and enjoy what freedoms we have

have left
I have always been a traveller and people may find it hard to believe but i really feel trapped and prisoner of my own country.
Can not even realistically leave Qld.
I went FNQ after lockdown, West in March and obviously around SEQ but really due for a change of country.this will really change my perspective on where to live and the relative importance of home/ real estate.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

have left
I have always been a traveller and people may find it hard to believe but i really feel trapped and prisoner of my own country.
Can not even realistically leave Qld.
I went FNQ after lockdown, West in March and obviously around SEQ but really due for a change of country.this will really change my perspective on where to live and the relative importance of home/ real estate.

Why don't you go for a holiday up to Port Douglas? See the Daintree and reef: or Airlie Beach/Whitsundays.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Why don't you go for a holiday up to Port Douglas? See the Daintree and reef: or Airlie Beach/Whitsundays.

Those of us in NQ would prefer if Southerners stayed at home in Southeast Queensland.

It's getting more than serious.

Economics have been trumped by safety and the containment of the Coronavirus.

If people from SEQ want a a water or tropical experience I suggest they put on the kettle, have a cup of tea and google "North Queensland Travel Experiences" and tap on the video drop down.

gg

 

[qldfrog]

Why don't you go for a holiday up to Port Douglas? See the Daintree and reef: or Airlie Beach/Whitsundays.

Was in magnetic island Townsville Whitsundays mackay etc last month..
So i do as much as possible but still
Found a latin cafe nearby..helps a bit but hard to shake the idea of being trapped.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Those of us in NQ would prefer if Southerners stayed at home in Southeast Queensland.

It's getting more than serious.

Economics have been trumped by safety and the containment of the Coronavirus.

If people from SEQ want a a water or tropical experience I suggest they put on the kettle, have a cup of tea and google "North Queensland Travel Experiences" and tap on the video drop down.

gg

The old maverick Katter will sort out Annastacia.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Was in magnetic island Townsville Whitsundays mackay etc last month..
So i do as much as possible but still
Found a latin cafe nearby..helps a bit but hard to shake the idea of being trapped.

I have been to Magnetic Island, very friendly folks there.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Was in magnetic island Townsville Whitsundays mackay etc last month..
So i do as much as possible but still
Found a latin cafe nearby..helps a bit but hard to shake the idea of being trapped.

Well, don't come.

gg