Sentencing in Australia is a disgrace

[Calliope]

Jail would make Einfeld's depression worse, court told
February 25, 2009 -

Marcus Einfeld is not well and will slide deeper into depression if he is handed a full-time jail term for perjury, his psychiatrist has told a Sydney court.

Jonathon Phillips also raised the prospect of the former Federal Court judge becoming a suicide risk, saying at the very least he would "begin to think in a very negative" way about his life.

He was giving evidence in the NSW Supreme Court today at the sentencing hearing of the retired 69-year-old judge.

Einfeld has pleaded guilty to knowingly making a false statement on oath in Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on August 7, 2006.

He has also admitted making a false statement in Sydney on August 23, 2006, with intent to pervert the course of justice.

The offences relate to claims he was not behind the wheel of his car on January 8, 2006, when a speed camera recorded his silver Lexus travelling 60kmh in a 50kmh zone at Mosman.

When did all this sentence hearing nonsense start. Why can't the judge make up his own mind after hearing the evidence and verdict. We pay them enough to accept the responsibility.

 

[MrBurns]

Jail would make Einfeld's depression worse, court told
February 25, 2009 -

When did all this sentence hearing nonsense start. Why can't the judge make up his own mind after hearing the evidence and verdict. We pay them enough to accept the responsibility.

I think they all wear suspender belts and stockings under their robes.

 

[Julia]

Jail would make Einfeld's depression worse, court told
February 25, 2009 -

When did all this sentence hearing nonsense start. Why can't the judge make up his own mind after hearing the evidence and verdict. We pay them enough to accept the responsibility.

Yes, you'd think it was entirely straightforward, wouldn't you!
I was very surprised that his psychiatrist was dragged into it, but I guess you'll try anything to avoid jail.
Somehow it seems hugely worse that a judge should perjure himself than an 'ordinary citizen'. And over such a stupid, small fine. Perhaps he really was depressed to the point of insanity that he would do such a thing?

 

[johnnyg]

Sorry if its been posted before, but I wonder if we can keep an eye on the news sites and see if these 3 get caught, and if so what sort of punishment they get handed out.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25105398-421,00.html

 

[nulla nulla]

Amazing the lengths a "pillar of society" will go to, to avoid a small fine for being less than 15 Kilometres an hour over the speed limit. Also amazing is that this circus costs will ultimately be borne by the tax payers.
The court, having determined the guilt of this contemptable excuse for a "pillar of society" has a responsibility to hand down a monetary fine adequate to reimburse the public purse for the cost incurred and incarcerate him to give him time to reflect that he is not above the law.

 

[dutchie]

Hi johnnyg

Disgusting act.

Proposed Sentence: 15 years jail then deportation

Cheers

dutchie

 

[MrBurns]

Sorry if its been posted before, but I wonder if we can keep an eye on the news sites and see if these 3 get caught, and if so what sort of punishment they get handed out.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25105398-421,00.html

Looks like Nigerians, unhealthily overrepresented in crime here.

Probably get compo for getting blood on their shoes, but interesting to keep track of them.

They have a good photo of one so they should be able to round them up fairly easily.

 

[MrBurns]

Amazing the lengths a "pillar of society" will go to, to avoid a small fine for being less than 15 Kilometres an hour over the speed limit. Also amazing is that this circus costs will ultimately be borne by the tax payers.
The court, having determined the guilt of this contemptable excuse for a "pillar of society" has a responsibility to hand down a monetary fine adequate to reimburse the public purse for the cost incurred and incarcerate him to give him time to reflect that he is not above the law.

He should have known better, his peers will punish him accordingly as he has brought the office into disrepute.

 

[dutchie]

Hi MrBurns

Actually, the opposite - "professionals" take care of each other.

He will probably get a "light" sentence.

Cheers

dutchie

 

[MrBurns]

Hi MrBurns

Actually, the opposite - "professionals" take care of each other.

He will probably get a "light" sentence.

Cheers

dutchie

Let's wait and see, I reckon he's in for it ......big time

 

[Calliope]

Hi johnnyg

Disgusting act.

Proposed Sentence: 15 years jail then deportation

Cheers

dutchie

These thugs obviously model themselves on Black American street culture in dress and behaviour. Did you notice the pimp roll style of walking.

 

[MrBurns]

These thugs obviously model themselves on Black American street culture in dress and behaviour. Did you notice the pimp roll style of walking.

I've noticed some young Lebanese smart arses walk that way, intimidating, until you get the baseball bat out of the car anyway.

 

[johnnyg]

Hi johnnyg

Disgusting act.

Proposed Sentence: 15 years jail then deportation

Cheers

dutchie

Its extremely brutal, however I ponder the 15 year proposed sentence.

From a similar case here ---> http://www.theage.com.au/national/killers-sentenced-over-curry-bashing-20081222-73ff.html

2 years in a youth detention center. Seems fair.

Hopefully the brutality shown on the CCTV footage might make the judge/any other judge dealing with a similar style case think twice about the sentence.

2 of my mates in separate incidents have had their head stomped on by a group of 4-6 thugs, and they got off with pissy 3 and 6 month good behavior bonds.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Sorry if its been posted before, but I wonder if we can keep an eye on the news sites and see if these 3 get caught, and if so what sort of punishment they get handed out.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25105398-421,00.html

The thing that's even more disturbing about these crooks is they were not ashamed of being filmed doing it and continued the attack even after other pedestrians passed by.

The tall guy dwarfs the other two attackers. He appears almost the height of Manute Bol from the NBA.

I also heard of this scam in news recently.

MP tells of Somali passport fraud
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/mp-tells-of-somali-passport-fraud-20090223-8frp.html

 

[dutchie]

"From a similar case here ---> http://www.theage.com.au/national/ki...1222-73ff.html"

I don't know why they wasted time and money in having a trial.

"15 years" - that is my sentence if I was a judge.
Surely that must be attempted murder.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Its extremely brutal, however I ponder the 15 year proposed sentence.

From a similar case here ---> http://www.theage.com.au/national/killers-sentenced-over-curry-bashing-20081222-73ff.html

2 years in a youth detention center. Seems fair.

Hopefully the brutality shown on the CCTV footage might make the judge/any other judge dealing with a similar style case think twice about the sentence.

2 of my mates in separate incidents have had their head stomped on by a group of 4-6 thugs, and they got off with pissy 3 and 6 month good behavior bonds.

Looks like the crooks are no longer afraid of the cops.
If cameras are the only retrospect for crime, then when does
prevention come into it?

I think it's time for the Guardian Angels to come back onto the public transport system. Let the private security deal with the fare evaders and let the guardian angels protect the public. Hey the cops in the USA didn't like them, but they can be very effective in protecting the public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels

 

[Ageo]

Now the craziest thing about this all is that if the guy was armed and shot those thugs he would probably get more punishment then what they are going to receive (if they get caught).

Sometimes its like the government wants us to break the law to defend ourselves.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Now the craziest thing about this all is that if the guy was armed and shot those thugs he would probably get more punishment then what they are going to receive (if they get caught).

Sometimes its like the government wants us to break the law to defend ourselves.

The problem is also compounded by the privatisation of The Met in Victoria.
NO station masters on most train platforms in the Melbourne Metropolitan area. Most commuters are angry when the trains are cancelled and don't run on time like what happened this summer in Melbourne. Yet Connex still turn a profit from a network built with public money. Surely these kind of attacks on commuters could be minimized if the Government and Connex did something about staffing the train platforms once again. But try to explain that to the bean-counters in Kosky's department and/or Connex. Cheaper to compensate acts of violence then ensuring a safe and reliable Public Transport system. Economic rationalism gone wrong.

 

[GumbyLearner]

This is an interesting one. I wonder what penalty the journo will receive.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25108063-5012980,00.html

A CURRENT Affair reporter Ben Fordham and his producer expect to be charged over a hidden camera investigation they say headed off a murder.

Fordham posed as an accomplice to an alleged hitman who was approached by a Sydney man to kill another man.

The ACA report said the man wanted to kill the target because he was blackmailing a friend of his.
The story, which relied heavily on the use of hidden cameras and microphones, aired on ACA last year.

On ACA on Wednesday night, Fordham said he and producer Andrew Byrne expected to be charged by NSW Police at their office.

 

[bunyip]

I wander if it is possible to apply Singapore punishment model in Australia?

It's possible alright.
First, change the judiciary system so that judges don't get so much say in what sentence is handed out - we've all seen how incompetent and stupid some of them can be.
Maybe the jury and the victim and perhaps the victims family can be involved in deciding the sentence, afterall, it's the jury that decides the guilt or innocence of the accused.
Increase the penalties drastically....take a leaf out of Singapore's book.
Don't give crims early parole if they behave themselves in jail....give them increased sentences if they don't. And if they're already in there for the term of their life, and they want to play up, stick them in an isolation cell and withdraw all privileges and comforts except those that are essential for life. And not for just a few days or weeks - leave the bastards in there for six or twelve months, then stick them back in there permanently if they play up again. If they go mad, tough luck - they're probably mad anyway, and I can't see why some of these morons deserve any sort of compassion whatsoever.
Increase our police force, and not just a small increase either.
Build more jails if necessary, and make them a hell of a lot more spartan than our current jails. We found more than a billion dollars for the Asian tsunami victims, we find tens or hundreds of millions to give away every time there's a natural disaster overseas or at home. Rudd has found a staggering amount of money to splash around in response to the global economic meltdown.
The money can be found for more jails if necessary. And in the long run we'd probably need less jails, not more, as the crime rate falls.
Apart from that, crime is already costing us billions of dollars anyway - reduce it drastically and in the long run we'd save money.
I get sick of hearing excuses why we can't introduce whatever measures are necessary to get the upper hand on crime.
If we're not competent in this country to draft some effective crime-fighting policies, and implement them, then call in a team of experts from some country with a proven track record in crime control.