Sentencing in Australia is a disgrace

[MrBurns]

Almost funny, all of the sudden they realised that 18 years one day will end.

Didn't they know that 18 years ago?

The full sentence is 24 years, anyway they've put the thing on hold while they reconsider.
I think they should do the right thing and just put one in his ear actually.

 

[rhen]

At a private hearing in September, the Parole Authority considered reports from psychologists, prison authorities and the Serious Offenders Review Council. The authority then recommended the release of Phillip Choon Tee Lim on November 11, when he will have served his minimum sentence of 18 years.

Should the above-mentioned be investigated as to connections with vested interests in this case?
Is it impossible that outside influences may play a role (surreptitious perhaps) in expediting release?
How transparent is the process?
Who constitute the Parole Authority, psychologists, prison authorities and the Serious Offenders Review Council?
Who reviews the reviewers?
Where's the second killer? What's his status?
etc etc etc
Lastly, who is it that "goes into bat" for us?

AUTHOR: Charles Dickens (1812–70)
QUOTATION: “If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble,… “the law is a(n) ass””a(n) idiot.

 

[moXJO]

Shame we don't have this here


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26301015-401,00.html

A SAUDI court of cassation upheld a ruling to behead and crucify a 22-year-old man convicted of raping five children and leaving one of them to die in the desert, newspapers reported today.
The convict was arrested earlier this year after a seven-year old boy helped police in their investigation.

The child left in the desert after the rape was three years old, Okaz newspaper said.

 

[nunthewiser]

The "victim" is a close friend of mine living in Geraldton WA.

Man jailed over one punch attack, glassingKate Campbell, The West Australian February 9, 2010, 11:41 am Buzz up! Send

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A man was sentenced to three and half years jail today over a one punch attack that left his victim in hospital for three months.

Thomas William Ormond was also sentenced over a separate attack that occurred while he was on bail one year after the one-punch attack in which he struck a bouncer with a glass bottle.

Ormond was today sentenced to three and half years jail for grievous bodily harm over the attack on Paul Suhajcek outside Black Betty's nightclub in Northbridge in September 2008. He was found guilty of the crime after a trial in November last year.

The court was told Ormond was heavily intoxicated when he was evicted from the club.

Outside the club he was approached by Mr Suhajcek. Judge Anette Schoombee accepted Mr Suhajcek had provoked Ormond to a degree with a comment to the effect of put your shirt back on or you'll get hurt.
Ormond then knocked Mr Suhajcek unconscious causing him to hit his head on the road. Ormond admitted to police punching someone but could not remember the incident.

Mr Suhajcek had to have part of his skull removed and suffers on going effects from the attack including epilepsy, brain seizures, numbness on his right side and an inability to taste or smell and a lack on concentration.

Also today Ormond was sentenced to 12 months jail for unlawfully wounding a security guard at the Leederville hotel in August last year.

The court was told Ormond was having a play fight with another patron when the bouncer intervened.

Ormond struck him on the forehead with a glass bottle causing a four to five centimetre gash. Ormond was on bail for the attack on Mr Suhajcek at the time.

Judge Schoombee said Ormond had a tendency to "drink himself senseless" and lash out at innocent people, which would not be tolerated by the community.

Ormond's mother Carolyn Ormond told reporters outside the court her son, who was "not a good drinker", was remorseful, had learnt his lesson and just wanted to serve his time.

Ormond will be eligible for parole in April next year.

The bold is a complete lie .

The attacker asked victim for a ciggarette , victim said no. Attacker asked again , victim told him to pissorf .......... the rest is history .

LOL next april . what a joke

 

[johnnyg]

I don't know why judges don't impose harsher penalties for repeat offenders, or why they even bother with a 3 1/2 year sentence if with good behavior they'll be out within 16 months? It's as clear as day this guy is dangerous and will more then likely repeat a similar offense once released.

Hope your friend is getting on OK Nun, I'm sure he'll never be the same.

 

[Happy]

I don't know why judges don't impose harsher penalties for repeat offenders,
...

My thought too.

Repeat offenders are recidivists and until we get the system to give harsher sentences to them we will be exposed to extra danger on our streets much longer that it would be if repeat offenders got

Considering every crime in isolation does not give desired effect, it is simply factored into the risk of crime.
Criminal knows well that if caught there is maximum and chance of good behaviour as nobody is allowed to look back at previous crimes.

Let's move to 21st century!

 

[johnnyg]

Teenager 'stabbed taxi driver in head' at Ferny Hills

* From: AAP
* February 21, 2010 11:27AM


AN 18-year-old has allegedly stabbed a taxi driver multiple times in the head.

The taxi driver, 28, had picked up the teenager from a Ferny Hills address in Brisbane on Saturday night.

About 11.19pm (AEDT), police allege he turned on the driver, stabbing him several times, before fleeing the cab.

The driver managed to drive to Ferny Grove police station to seek help and is being treated in the Royal Brisbane Hospital for non-life-threatening injuries.

The teenager, from Ferny Hills, has been charged with unlawful wounding, attempted armed robbery and possession of a knife in public.

He will appear in Brisbane Magistrates Court tomorrow.

I wonder why attempted murder isn't the charge here? Oh that's right I forgot, you just stab someone in the head multiple times for fun, it's not like your trying to kill them or anything is it?

Will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow in court. I'd say it'll probably eventuate to 12-36 months jail time with an early release for good behavior.

This is where I feel the justice system really sucks. If the Taxi Drive was killed the sentence would be harsher, however still weak, but because he wasn't, I'm sure the sentencing will be pathetic.

 

[Calliope]

Will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow in court. I'd say it'll probably eventuate to 12-36 months jail time with an early release for good behavior.

If he is brought to trial a jury will acquit him and then hang around to hug him as he leaves the court. So I suppose the Magistrate will let him off with a bond to save the expense. Compared to killing your mother it is a minor offence.

 

[Ageo]

They just keep getting better and better.

http://www.news.com.au/national/koo...-shamed-attacker/story-e6frfkvr-1225833209499

Man gets 18 months' jail for assault
Out after seven months
Faced Koori Court, felt "ashamed"
A VIOLENT man convicted of a series of horrific assaults on a 15-year-old girl he held prisoner has been freed from jail because he is an Aborigine.
The Herald Sun reports the Court of Appeal ruled that participating in a Koori Court, where offenders discuss their crimes with a judge and Aboriginal elders in a room that has been traditionally "smoked", can lead to a lighter sentence.

Court president Justice Chris Maxwell and Justice Peter Buchanan said the 18-month minimum term imposed on Steelie Morgan, 26, was manifestly excessive because he took part in a "sentencing conversation" about his crimes.

"His active participation in the process was a factor that mitigated punishment," the court said.

"The sentencing conversation is designed to further the reformation of an Aboriginal offender through a unique blending of Aboriginal customary law and the English common law."
Morgan has served seven months of the term but the appeal judges said the rest of the sentence should be wholly suspended.

During a 10-week reign of terror Morgan, of Moama, subjected the girl, who was his under-age sexual partner, to a series of attacks, where she was bashed, stabbed, humiliated and held captive.

He threatened to kill her, smashed a full plastic water bottle over her head, threw a knife at her, which struck her on the neck, and bit her nose.

Morgan made a weapon of a water hose and repeatedly struck her on the legs, threw a heavy tool, cutting her head, and forced her to stay in a bedroom for nearly a month.

Morgan pleaded guilty at La Trobe Koori Court to eight counts of causing injury intentionally, two of assault, one of making a threat to kill and one of false imprisonment.

The offences occurred between December 2007 and March 2008 and each count of intentionally causing injury carries a 10-year maximum term.

After he was caught Morgan "sought reconciliation with his indigenous heritage", the court said.

Justices Maxwell and Buchanan said Morgan was shamed by admitting his crimes before Aboriginal elders.

 

[Mr J]

These judges really live in their own little worlds.

 

[johnnyg]

And this.

http://www.news.com.au/national/nin...ists-sentence/comments-e6frfkwr-1225833387135

 

[Julia]

Two days ago an eight year old girl was taken from her bed and murdered.
At this stage, police are not saying if she was sexually assaulted.

Police are 'talking to a man' but again not yet describing him as a suspect.

I can't begin to imagine the terror of this small girl taken from what should be the safety of her own home.

When caught and charged, the perpetrator will almost certainly not receive any just sentence. I'm philosophically against the death sentence, but in an instance like this can't help feeling there should be exceptions.
The very young and the very old (eg the 82 year old woman in Rockhampton recently who was raped and bashed in her own back yard and who subsequently died) are without defences.

 

[Calliope]

When caught and charged, the perpetrator will almost certainly not receive any just sentence.

I doubt if he will even be brought to trial. Apparently he is mentally disabled.

 

[nulla nulla]

Bring back the rope. It is not only a fitting punishment for felons convicted of heinious crimes, it is a deterant to any-one else even thinking of committing a heinious crime.

 

[phantomcamel]

Bring back the rope. It is not only a fitting punishment for felons convicted of heinious crimes, it is a deterant to any-one else even thinking of committing a heinious crime.

Intresting article re. Islamic Law http://www.theage.com.au/national/islamic-council-rejects-sharia-law-proposal-20091018-h2x9.html

1. I pitty todays police: restricted,too busy handing out speeding fines, abused by everyone, not respected by the yout & once a crim has been brought to court, all their hard work falls to pieces when the conviction is overturned or shortened - and they are badly paid...
2. many of the courts decissions are unbelievable, BUT society has changed & I believe rather then being re-active by dealing with punishment, we need to go back & look at our core values. Don't get me started on family values, education, social responsibilty and so forth. It starts at the root. Todays parents are either too busy to bring up their children or can't be bothered. Instead of them playning outside & siocializing they play "Grand Theft Auto" where it is quiet aceptable to beat up women. Now you can' t tell me that this doesn't influence your future citizen..

 

[GumbyLearner]

It starts at the root. Todays parents are either too busy to bring up their children or can't be bothered. Instead of them playning outside & siocializing they play "Grand Theft Auto" where it is quiet aceptable to beat up women.
[/LIST]

I agree phantomcamel. That kind of thing is pretty poisonous to both social discourse and also a distorted understanding of reality to the young who play it and the parents who couldn't give two hoots as to it's influence on young minds. I remember being ""re-educated" in undergrad at University by the marxist post-modernist black feminist critical-theorist politically correct types. About why cap-guns and playing cowboys and indians in primary school was dangerous to my upbringing and has skewed my understanding of reality. And my understanding of now in a post-modern deconstructionist world.

Wow now that's deep!

Now I'm a blogger on ASF. See what a bad influence that was on my development . They should have released GTA san adreas before Uni and then at least I could have elevated myself to a violent money-making pimp. With enough tax-free cash to pay a silk to mitigate down my sentence because I learned everything in the hood, oh and on playstation/xbox.

It's a hard-knock life for us. Yo!

 

[Chris45]

Two days ago an eight year old girl was taken from her bed and murdered. At this stage, police are not saying if she was sexually assaulted.

Interesting contrast between the media treatment of these two alleged killers.

When the alleged 18yo killer of the 82yo woman was arrested, we saw a photofit of a dark skinned man with broad nostrils and dreadlocks and then film of him being taken into custody with his head covered but showing his dark brown chest and arms. A note on one news report said, “The accused attacker can’t be named at this stage due to the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 1978 which states that premature identification of a defendant involved in sexual offence is prohibited. This law also applies to witnesses and victims. If committed to stand trial, the accused’s identity can be revealed then.”

When the accused killer of 8yo Trinity Bates was arrested, we got his full name, Allyn John Slater, and a pixilated photo. However on this morning’s Seven news they showed the original unpixilated photo. So, if it turns out that he is not the killer, everyone will know that he was at least a suspect and the damage will have been done.

The message this sends is that if you’re going to kill someone, make it a sexual offense and avoid the full exposure of your name and face in all the media.

 

[Tink]

The difference here is that Allyn John Slater was in Facebook so everyone had his photo as soon as his name got mentioned.

 

[Happy]

This is getting more technical and red taped by the minute.

And extrapolating how shrouded suspects are, I can only assume we did not see the end of ever improved process and all the restrictions placed on who can say show what.


Wish we could move closer to proactive citizen’s protection, so crime is prevented from happening in a first place.

 

[Chris45]

The difference here is that Allyn John Slater was in Facebook so everyone had his photo as soon as his name got mentioned.

Well, I guess he’s only got himself to blame for subscribing to Facebook and putting his photo up, but given:
1. The power and reach of today’s tabloid media and the enormous damage they can do to a person’s life and reputation in their drive for ratings, etc.
2. The ‘lynch mob’ mentality and violence that pervades today’s society,
3. The concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ that’s supposed to be the basis of our legal system,
I wonder why the identities of all suspects, especially in the case of heinous crimes, aren’t suppressed until after they’ve been found guilty.

There’s far too much ‘trial by media’ these days which only encourages the lynch mob morons. I’m all in favour of a strong justice system for the genuinely guilty, but the genuinely innocent need more protection from today’s irresponsible media and the lynch mobs.