Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[Value Collector]

But didn't you say that pedophiles are basically sexless ; ie they don't identify as straight or gay, they are just pedophiles ? In that case you have just contradicted your quote above.

No, because most abuse is not pedophillia, physical abuse would include physical violence and sexual abuse that is not pedophillia, and most of this is done by straight men.

The pedophillia is largely considered to be neither straight or gay, but what I am saying is that a person who knows they are a pedo, will want to hide it from society, and they would probably choose to hide as a straight male.

So an openly gay man, is less likely to be a pedo.

 

[SirRumpole]

So an openly gay man, is less likely to be a pedo.

But a gay man who is a pedo could pretend to be straight ?

 

[MrBurns]

There's many complications with a Yes vote, these aren't publicised but it's more far reaching than just walking down the aisle so I'm told.

 

[wayneL]

This is why I'm a no

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/04/14899/

Snip :
In Canada, freedoms of speech, press, religion, and association have suffered greatly due to government pressure. The debate over same-sex marriage that is taking place in the United States could not legally exist in Canada today. Because of legal restrictions on speech, if you say or write anything considered “homophobic” (including, by definition, anything questioning same-sex marriage), you could face discipline, termination of employment, or prosecution by the government.

Why do police prosecute speech under the guise of eliminating “hate speech” when there are existing legal remedies and criminal protections against slander, defamation, threats, and assault that equally apply to all Americans? Hate-crime-like policies using the terms “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” create unequal protections in law, whereby protected groups receive more legal protection than other groups.

Having witnessed how mob hysteria in Indiana caused the legislature to back-track on a Religious Freedom Restoration Act, many Americans are beginning to understand that some activists on the Left want to usher in state control over every institution and freedom. In this scheme, personal autonomy and freedom of expression become nothing more than pipe dreams, and children become commodified.

Children are not commodities that can be justifiably severed from their natural parentage and traded between unrelated adults. Children in same-sex households will often deny their grief and pretend they don’t miss a biological parent, feeling pressured to speak positively due to the politics surrounding LGBT households. However, when children lose either of their biological parents because of death, divorce, adoption, or artificial reproductive technology, they experience a painful void. It is the same for us when our gay parent brings his or her same-sex partner(s) into our lives. Their partner(s) can never replace our missing biological parent.

 

[MrBurns]

It might seem like prejudice to some but I don't feel comfortable with kids being raised in a same sex household, it's not right....end of story.

 

[SirRumpole]

It might seem like prejudice to some but I don't feel comfortable with kids being raised in a same sex household, it's not right....end of story.

It's not prejudice at all, same sex parenting goes against 3 billion years of evolution. Nothing replaces loving biological parents.

 

[MrBurns]

It's not prejudice at all, same sex parenting goes against 3 billion years of evolution. Nothing replaces loving biological parents.

This is the sleeper isn't it, all the publicity is about love and gay rights but once this gets up children become involved as they would have the legal right to raise them and have it treated as normal.
I'm afraid I'll have to go with the NO side but I think the YES side will win because of the positive publicity about it.

 

[tech/a]

For a broad spectrum look at our future
Take the time to READ Wayne's post above.

 

[Value Collector]

But a gay man who is a pedo could pretend to be straight ?

True pedos aren't either straight or gay.

 

[SirRumpole]

True pedos aren't either straight or gay.

So what about the often quoted story about the two gay men who procured a child for the purpose of sexually abusing him ?

 

[Logique]

It's not just confined to Canada!

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...ons-religious-freedom-wake-gay-marriage-vote/ 4 Dec 2015 - Ireland has stripped away laws which protected the rights of people to freedom of religion when in conflict with gay rights....Ireland’s Parliament has been busy with a slate of reforms designed to cement the rights of gay people within Irish law, Pink News has reported.

On Tuesday night the latest bastion against religious intolerance was swept away, as the Dáil voted unanimously to repeal Section 37 of the state’s Employment Equality Act. Section 37 granted specific exemptions for “religious, educational or medical institutions” when it came to gay rights, allowing them “to maintain the religious ethos of the institution”.

 

[wayneL]

The trouble is that nobody is listening, they are repeating the #loveislove mantra andc refusing to consider the attendant Orwellian consequences for the vast majority

 

[Wysiwyg]

It's not just confined to Canada!

The agenda might be skewed with Ireland having a homosexual head of government. Wait till Bill Shorten comes out. Whhoooooh. Lol.

 

[Value Collector]

So what about the often quoted story about the two gay men who procured a child for the purpose of sexually abusing him ?

I haven't seen their psych reports, so have no idea.

However that does seem to be the isolated case that continually does the rounds, but compared to the massive volume of child molesters who pose as straight I think it is not very relevant.

 

[Value Collector]

What

The trouble is that nobody is listening, they are repeating the #loveislove mantra andc refusing to consider the attendant Orwellian consequences for the vast majority

What are the consequences?

 

[wayneL]

What

What are the consequences?

Read the links I posted...


Really, I rest my case on that point.

 

[tech/a]

What

What are the consequences?

READ Wayne's link

 

[Tisme]

This is the sleeper isn't it, all the publicity is about love and gay rights but once this gets up children become involved as they would have the legal right to raise them and have it treated as normal.
I'm afraid I'll have to go with the NO side but I think the YES side will win because of the positive publicity about it.

No the sleeper is the marital status gives estates to the wife/husband rather than biological children who have already had to endure the absence of real parent.

Of course proponents will point to divorce, black people on buses, slavery, etc to justify that chances are a kid's life is already wrecked, so this malfeasance perpetrated at the front end of a relationship, rather than half way in, is justified.

 

[Tisme]

Children are not commodities that can be justifiably severed from their natural parentage and traded between unrelated adults. Children in same-sex households will often deny their grief and pretend they don’t miss a biological parent, feeling pressured to speak positively due to the politics surrounding LGBT households. However, when children lose either of their biological parents because of death, divorce, adoption, or artificial reproductive technology, they experience a painful void. It is the same for us when our gay parent brings his or her same-sex partner(s) into our lives. Their partner(s) can never replace our missing biological parent.

With SSM the misery for kids is planned, whereas most other situations are unforeseen. Child abuse.

 

[luutzu]

With SSM the misery for kids is planned, whereas most other situations are unforeseen. Child abuse.

I thought straight couples nowadays only get married when they want to have kids. The only un-planned weddings are gunshot weddings.

I mean kids nowadays don't have the moral compass those of ancient times has. They sleeps around, sleep with one partner before marriage and almost none of them (beside the socialites) were matched by their parents or matchmaker. The horror!