Same sex marriage - Yes or No?

[SirRumpole]

That is a insult to all single parents


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Would you agree that two is better than one, all else being equal ?

 

[Tink]

Remember that these same people tried to STOP your voices from being heard

VOTE NO.

STAND UP FOR THE FAMILY.

 

[Value Collector]

Would you agree that two is better than one, all else being equal ?

does that mean a lesbian couple is better than a single mum?

 

[SirRumpole]

does that mean a lesbian couple is better than a single mum?

Is the single mum also a lesbian ?

 

[Value Collector]

Is the single mum also a lesbian ?

why would that matter, a single lady is a single lady.

If anything, with the amount of physical abuse and molestation that happens at the hands of step fathers and boyfriends, the lesbians may have an advantage.

Findings from the ABS Personal Safety Survey (2005) indicated that of participants who had experienced physical abuse before the age of 15, 55.6% experienced abuse from their father/stepfather and 25.9% experienced abuse from their mother/stepmother.

Evidence overwhelmingly indicates that the majority of child sexual abuse is perpetrated by males , 26% of all cases involving male perpetrators were associated with sexual abuse compared to just 2% of cases involving female perpetrators

https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/who-abuses-children

 

[SirRumpole]

why would that matter, a single lady is a single lady.

If anything, with the amount of physical abuse and molestation that happens at the hands of step fathers and boyfriends, the lesbians may have an advantage.



https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/who-abuses-children

The Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW) releases an annual report detailing statutory child protection reports across Australia, however the only information regarding who abuses children is recorded as “family type” (AIHW, 2014). Family type identifies whether the child was from a single parent family, two parent “intact” family, two parent blended family, or other family type such as relatives/kin or foster care, however it does not indicate who was responsible for the abuse or neglect in substantiated cases.1

Some of those could be from gay/lesbian families, who knows ?

 

[Value Collector]

Some of those could be from gay/lesbian families, who knows ?

either way, as I said the lack of a male in the relationship means that children of lesbian couples are less likely to suffer abuse, especially of a sexual nature.

 

[Value Collector]

I found this research interesting

The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

 

[wayneL]

So if im understanding the gist of the pc apologists, a normal hetro coupe is just about the worst thing for children?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Pornography, prostitution, and LGBTI marriage on the same line was a give away that it was from the sex industry.
The state to be demanding and over riding parents to be teaching children about homosexual acts, is not on, imv.
What people do in their home is their business, but for the state to over ride parents.
The state has no business pushing that on children.
http://youreteachingourchildrenwhat.org/

This is my view.

Incredible this issue has gone from a sexual preference thing to affecting the core of society. Leverage for greater perversion! We have twits asking what is "normal".

 

[SirRumpole]

either way, as I said the lack of a male in the relationship means that children of lesbian couples are less likely to suffer abuse, especially of a sexual nature.

Well obviously then, two gay male fathers is the worst that can happen for children ?

 

[grah33]

Don't think so graph33. One of the striking things about Jesus Christ was that he did associate with the prostitutes, the tax collectors (who were pretty scummy), the adulterers, the Samaritans in fact most of the "low life" of the time.
Christianity was for all people and in particular the sinners.

Bas: you're playing on my words here. yes, Jesus did associate with prostitutes etc. his explanation for it was that he was a 'doctor' who needed to fix and help people. this is completely different from supporting prostitution or SSM. what happened to the famous prostitute who followed him, and the tax collector? they renounced their ways and become superb christian examples.

regards the little text fragment, well, many religious ministers/clergy don't see it like that at all. they see it as defined in that text I quoted before – that it's not normal and morally wrong. love isn't a fickle feeling, at least the kind of love that is worth something.. the gov shouldn't be making policies based on human feelings.

Just to add to the what basilio said.... when you refer to the many verses... you mean there more than 6 mentioned here (by Robyn J Whitaker is Bromby Lecturer in Biblical Studies at Trinity College and a lecturer at the University of Divinity.)...

so where does justice and equality fit in for "gay marriage"?

as I said before, you're always gonna get someone who will try to say that 1+1 might not actually equal 2. we've seen these tactics before. 99% of the church certainly disagrees with him on biblical interpretations.

As for justice and equality, well if you read the verse I quoted before, it obviously doesn't apply to what is considered unnatural and outside of proper human functioning. can I ask you, do you think it's normal for adults to be attracted to children, or family members? I asked it before to people, and I never got an answer.

 

[SirRumpole]

do you think it's normal for adults to be attracted to children,

Attracted in what way ?

 

[grah33]

sexually

 

[Tisme]

Lakemba ?

Oddly enough, it's actually a queer capital of Oz,. The people are great but the demography belies the landscape and living conditions.

 

[Tisme]

either way, as I said the lack of a male in the relationship means that children of lesbian couples are less likely to suffer abuse, especially of a sexual nature.

Now we are picking on men, because of a few wankers. If you are going to use that logic homosexuals should be punished because they failed to meet their obligations for the propogation and transmittal of aids. Those same males who forced themselves on their wives infecting them too.

 

[Value Collector]

Well obviously then, two gay male fathers is the worst that can happen for children ?

Well If you read the article, sexual assault against children is often done by male pedos, how don't really have a sexuality, they may hide in a heterosexual relationship to seem normal, but they aren't.

So a gay couple that have gone out of their way to prove they have a sexuality, and aren't hiding has a much lower chance of being pedos.

 

[SirRumpole]

So a gay couple that have gone out of their way to prove they have a sexuality, and aren't hiding has a much lower chance of being pedos.

Your argument seems to be that "men are men" whether they are gay or straight, so the chances of a gay man molesting children is about the same as that for a straight man ? If so, with two men in the family that would make it twice as likely for children to be molested than a man and a woman.

 

[Value Collector]

Your argument seems to be that "men are men" whether they are gay or straight, so the chances of a gay man molesting children is about the same as that for a straight man ? If so, with two men in the family that would make it twice as likely for children to be molested than a man and a woman.

Actually my initial claim was that most physical abuse comes from straight men.

But when you are talking about pedo's, they are generally not looked upon as being either straight or gay, they are pedophiles.

Now this part is just my hypothesis, but I think if a pedo was trying to hide his sexuality, he would hide as a straight man, not a gay man, because gay men already have stigma, what would be the point of that.

So I think an openly gay couple, are probably less likely to be pedos.

 

[SirRumpole]

Actually my initial claim was that most physical abuse comes from straight men.

But didn't you say that pedophiles are basically sexless ; ie they don't identify as straight or gay, they are just pedophiles ? In that case you have just contradicted your quote above.

In any case a lot of abuse is done by family members, uncles, grandparents, siblings etc and these are equally likely to occur where the guardians are straight or gay so we can't really come to a conclusion based on parenting type.