Well perhaps you should express yourself a little better and then it won't get you into trouble.
Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse
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Well perhaps you should express yourself a little better and then it won't get you into trouble.
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Alternatively Noco you could stop being a right royal xxxxole and accusing people of things that just arn't true and that no other sensible person would acknowledge.
I too was disgusted with your swipe at Junior.
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Of course you would come to the defense of Junior because you are from the same mold as Junior.
You see this is what Junior quoted.
Well, to your question about why it is not a part of the Royal Commission. I guess the question is whether or not FGM is considered child sex abuse or not, and whether or not investigating it as a part of this commission will halt the practice or not.
Note : FGM is part of the RC terms of reference.
If Junior had done his home work he could have gained a lot more information instead of embarrassing himself.......But I had to do it for him.
For Junior to not have considered FGM was not sexual abuse is the reason I believed he was condoning FGM on young girls to protect the Muslim brotherhood...What else would any sensible person think?
Once again you are at it again with your character assassination in am attempt to ridicule my analysis.
You just can't help yourself because you don't anything different.
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I found the whole website and the summaries of what had happened in the various institutions tragic. Clearly Kelso is looking to encourage abuse victims to use his services to sue the relevant organisations. I can understand from his perspective the anger he feels about the situation have endured it himself and recognised how difficult it was to get justice.
With regard to abuse in Muslim institutions. It is relatively black and white to investigate instants of child sexual or physical abuse and any resultant cover ups by institutions. The issue of forced child marriages is probably harder to quantify. I believe there would need to be specific complaints brought before the Commission to kick off a specific inquiry. Perhaps this is happening?
Looking at the breadth and depth of the incidents around the country one can't fault the Commissions efforts to investigate and expose what has happened in churches, schools, institutions, and other facilities. Just hope there is justice at the end of it.
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I am all for justice, basilio, our laws are based on our Christian values, which does not include 'children being sexual beings'.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/the-coupl...for-the-sole-purpose-of-sexually-abusing-him/
Not marrying under the age of 18.
Not blood related.
One man, one woman.
All these that were set up by our Christian values, and laws.
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My post was to the fact on how much he missed his biological family, and did all in his power to find them.
The constant demonisation of men/boys is not good for our society either, which he has pretty much said in his article.
This is my view.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/the-coupl...for-the-sole-purpose-of-sexually-abusing-him/
Not marrying under the age of 18.
Not blood related.
One man, one woman.
All these that were set up by our Christian values, and laws.
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My post was to the fact on how much he missed his biological family, and did all in his power to find them.
The constant demonisation of men/boys is not good for our society either, which he has pretty much said in his article.
This is my view.
Tisme
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Off topic but I think the incessant ridicule, demonisation, mocking, feminisation and lampooning of males is making them gradually withdraw from expressing the resulting discomfort, but we all know what happens when men generationally reach their limit of patience and we are seeing the awakening of that anger in people like Trump ...
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I questioned whether the practice is considered to be sexual abuse or physical abuse. How you could construe that as condoning it is beyond me.
I was questioning if FGM was part of the terms of reference of this RC. My point was, is it considered to be physical abuse or sexual abuse?
Why did I ask this? It was in response to YOU Noco, repeatedly asking why has the RC not looked into FGM. I was addressing your question. Is it part of the terms of reference or not? A valid question to pose. If you are telling me that, yes, FGM is considered to be under the umbrella of child sex abuse. Well, good, I hope it is investigated further under the royal commission.
How you could construe this as me condoning it, and 'protecting the muslim brotherhood' is beyond me. I have no affiliation with any religion whatsoever. I was born and raised in Melbourne, as were my parents, grandparents & great grandparents. My background beyond that is British. No muslim affiliation or interest in the muslim religion.
I find many aspects of the muslim religion to be completely archaic, as I do with most major religions. I follow my own values, I believe in science, not in an imaginary man in the sky. If others choose religion, that's fine by me. I can understand and accept that.
What I don't accept, is pinning the actions of a minority of extremists, onto the 1 billion people on this planet who follow the muslim faith. That is unfair on the vast majority who are peaceful and law-abiding, and it will lead to epic division and war which is not in anyone's best interests.
I was questioning if FGM was part of the terms of reference of this RC. My point was, is it considered to be physical abuse or sexual abuse?
Why did I ask this? It was in response to YOU Noco, repeatedly asking why has the RC not looked into FGM. I was addressing your question. Is it part of the terms of reference or not? A valid question to pose. If you are telling me that, yes, FGM is considered to be under the umbrella of child sex abuse. Well, good, I hope it is investigated further under the royal commission.
How you could construe this as me condoning it, and 'protecting the muslim brotherhood' is beyond me. I have no affiliation with any religion whatsoever. I was born and raised in Melbourne, as were my parents, grandparents & great grandparents. My background beyond that is British. No muslim affiliation or interest in the muslim religion.
I find many aspects of the muslim religion to be completely archaic, as I do with most major religions. I follow my own values, I believe in science, not in an imaginary man in the sky. If others choose religion, that's fine by me. I can understand and accept that.
What I don't accept, is pinning the actions of a minority of extremists, onto the 1 billion people on this planet who follow the muslim faith. That is unfair on the vast majority who are peaceful and law-abiding, and it will lead to epic division and war which is not in anyone's best interests.
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You do see the fallacy of that dichotomy I presume: you can't be a Melbournian and not have a religious bent for an AFL team. Denial is futile
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We have just seen how 'peaceful' Islam operates in Indonesia. Christian governor doing a good job, threats and violence from the Muslims and trumped up ridiculous blasphemy charges and now he's out.
That's how they operate, they are a criminal gang masquerading as a religion.
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You do see the fallacy of that dichotomy I presume: you can't be a Melbournian and not have a religious bent for an AFL team. Denial is futile
You are correct there. A solid 33 year affiliation with MFC.
Go Demons!!
This time I will let you off the hook but next time make sure you use the right words to express yourself otherwise confusion will set in again....End of story for me.
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It does seem their idea of peaceful is different to the version we have been taught. As soon as the dicke@ds are labelled as extremists it legitimises their actions and numbs the population's response.
Jones is right.......Someone needs to take on this RC over the ill treatment go young Muslim girls.
http://kelsolawyers.com/au/news-item/one-rule-for-muslims-another-for-rest/
http://kelsolawyers.com/au/news-item/one-rule-for-muslims-another-for-rest/
Where is the RC in all this?......Where is Gillian Triggs from the HRC?
They seem to be turning a blind eye to it all even though they know what is going on.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/e2d80d12cff553f17fc490279ac3d62d
Melbourne man to be first person convicted of forced child marriage under federal law
Shannon Deery, Herald Sun
April 30, 2017 9:30pm
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VICTORIAN schoolgirls are being forced into marriage in record numbers as a Melbourne man is set to be the first person convicted under federal forced-marriage laws.
Authorities are investigating dozens of child-bride and forced-marriage claims, with new figures revealing Victorian cases make up almost one-third of probes launched.
‘AT RISK’ GIRLS FALLING THROUGH CRACKS
Now the Herald Sun can reveal Melbourne man Majed Mamosi is likely to become the first person to be convicted under federal forced-marriage laws since the practice was criminalised in 2013.
The laws can be extremely difficult to prosecute because they rely on victims testifying.
Child bride laws can be difficult to prosecute.
But Mamosi, from Epping, pleaded guilty to a forced-marriage charge last month, meaning his victim was not required to give evidence.
He remains on bail pending his case appearing at the County Court later this year.
Mamosi admitted arranging a forced marriage in the Greenvale area in 2015.
Mamosi’s was one of dozens of Victorian cases to be referred to federal police with figures show a doubling in the number of cases the national agency is investigating.
Reports have been made about young girls being sent overseas to marry, while others are being married in illegal religious ceremonies.
Federal police investigated 69 incidents of forced or underage marriage in the 2015-16 financial year, with 19 investigations launched in Victoria.
The national figure was up from 33 the previous year. In the 2013-14 financial year, just 11 cases were investigated.
Australian child brides laws are not retrospective. Picture: Paula Bronstein/Getty Images
New South Wales reported the highest number of investigations, with 36. Agencies consider the figure of 69 potential recent cases the tip of the iceberg with many girls too fearful to contact police.
Reports are most commonly made by worried school principals, teachers and counsellors.
An AFP spokeswoman said because legislation was not retrospective, police were unable to investigate matters where a marriage or arrangement occurred prior to March 2013.
Last year, a 14-year-old Melbourne girl was forced to marry a man more than double her age in a ceremony at a Noble Park mosque.
HORROR CHILD BRIDE SLAVE TRADE MUST STOP
Her “husband” last month pleaded guilty to marrying the girl only after prosecutors dropped a sexual abuse charge.
It had been alleged the man had raped the girl in the days after the wedding ceremony.
The wedding was allegedly performed by prominent Melbourne imam Ibrahim Omerdic, who has been charged and will face court next month.
Both the Victorian Board of Imams and the Islamic Council of Victoria have publicly condemned the illegal marriages.
shannon.deery@news.com.au
They seem to be turning a blind eye to it all even though they know what is going on.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/e2d80d12cff553f17fc490279ac3d62d
Melbourne man to be first person convicted of forced child marriage under federal law
Shannon Deery, Herald Sun
April 30, 2017 9:30pm
Subscriber only
VICTORIAN schoolgirls are being forced into marriage in record numbers as a Melbourne man is set to be the first person convicted under federal forced-marriage laws.
Authorities are investigating dozens of child-bride and forced-marriage claims, with new figures revealing Victorian cases make up almost one-third of probes launched.
‘AT RISK’ GIRLS FALLING THROUGH CRACKS
Now the Herald Sun can reveal Melbourne man Majed Mamosi is likely to become the first person to be convicted under federal forced-marriage laws since the practice was criminalised in 2013.
The laws can be extremely difficult to prosecute because they rely on victims testifying.
Child bride laws can be difficult to prosecute.
But Mamosi, from Epping, pleaded guilty to a forced-marriage charge last month, meaning his victim was not required to give evidence.
He remains on bail pending his case appearing at the County Court later this year.
Mamosi admitted arranging a forced marriage in the Greenvale area in 2015.
Mamosi’s was one of dozens of Victorian cases to be referred to federal police with figures show a doubling in the number of cases the national agency is investigating.
Reports have been made about young girls being sent overseas to marry, while others are being married in illegal religious ceremonies.
Federal police investigated 69 incidents of forced or underage marriage in the 2015-16 financial year, with 19 investigations launched in Victoria.
The national figure was up from 33 the previous year. In the 2013-14 financial year, just 11 cases were investigated.
Australian child brides laws are not retrospective. Picture: Paula Bronstein/Getty Images
New South Wales reported the highest number of investigations, with 36. Agencies consider the figure of 69 potential recent cases the tip of the iceberg with many girls too fearful to contact police.
Reports are most commonly made by worried school principals, teachers and counsellors.
An AFP spokeswoman said because legislation was not retrospective, police were unable to investigate matters where a marriage or arrangement occurred prior to March 2013.
Last year, a 14-year-old Melbourne girl was forced to marry a man more than double her age in a ceremony at a Noble Park mosque.
HORROR CHILD BRIDE SLAVE TRADE MUST STOP
Her “husband” last month pleaded guilty to marrying the girl only after prosecutors dropped a sexual abuse charge.
It had been alleged the man had raped the girl in the days after the wedding ceremony.
The wedding was allegedly performed by prominent Melbourne imam Ibrahim Omerdic, who has been charged and will face court next month.
Both the Victorian Board of Imams and the Islamic Council of Victoria have publicly condemned the illegal marriages.
shannon.deery@news.com.au
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The imminent laying of charges on Pell will be a victory for people everywhere who care for welfare of children.
Subjecting a child to any degree of lascivious activities and images is an appalling dereliction of adult duty and decency.
Even more appalling are those adults who pervert the boundaries by tritely dismissing the gravity of their ambivalence to the damage being done to the innocence of youth.
Subjecting a child to any degree of lascivious activities and images is an appalling dereliction of adult duty and decency.
Even more appalling are those adults who pervert the boundaries by tritely dismissing the gravity of their ambivalence to the damage being done to the innocence of youth.
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It will be interesting to see if charges are actually laid against Cardinal Pell. It is not a done deal.
On the larger scale the head of the Commission has put out an update on the scale and scope of teh abuse. Catholic religious communities had the most complaints.
Justice McClellan offered his observations on why religious institutions were so prominent in the allegations of child abuse.
The majority of the allegations received to date have emerged from faith-based institutions. “This inevitably raises the question ‘why’,” McClellan will tell the conference of ecclesiastical dignitaries and theological experts from around the country.
“Why is it that in institutions which proclaim faith in God and embrace the highest ethical and moral principles so many children are abused? Why do some people who proclaim their faith and have accepted a life of religious endeavour breach their obligations to children?
“Is there something in either the structure, culture, or personal qualities of members of the churches and other religious bodies, whether lay or ordained, that gives them such a prominent place amongst offenders?
He will answer those questions by saying that while children would always be vulnerable to abusing adults, they were extra vulnerable when the adult was perceived by the child to be a manifestation of spiritual good or chosen by God.
Children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God.
Justice Peter McClellan
“The commissioners have heard many times from survivors who as children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God and may go to hell,” McClellan said.
“The calculated exploitation of a child’s innocence is difficult to comprehend. The power afforded to the adult by the institution is corrupted and used to abuse the child"
What was the response of of Jesus Christ to child abuse ?
“But if anyone is the downfall of one of these little kids who believes in me, it were better for him that he drowned in the deep of the sea with a great millstone tied round his neck.” (Matt 18:6)
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...e-than-100-child-abuse-prosecutions-says-head
On the larger scale the head of the Commission has put out an update on the scale and scope of teh abuse. Catholic religious communities had the most complaints.
Justice McClellan offered his observations on why religious institutions were so prominent in the allegations of child abuse.
The majority of the allegations received to date have emerged from faith-based institutions. “This inevitably raises the question ‘why’,” McClellan will tell the conference of ecclesiastical dignitaries and theological experts from around the country.
“Why is it that in institutions which proclaim faith in God and embrace the highest ethical and moral principles so many children are abused? Why do some people who proclaim their faith and have accepted a life of religious endeavour breach their obligations to children?
“Is there something in either the structure, culture, or personal qualities of members of the churches and other religious bodies, whether lay or ordained, that gives them such a prominent place amongst offenders?
He will answer those questions by saying that while children would always be vulnerable to abusing adults, they were extra vulnerable when the adult was perceived by the child to be a manifestation of spiritual good or chosen by God.
Children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God.
Justice Peter McClellan
“The commissioners have heard many times from survivors who as children were told that if they tell anyone about the abuse they will be punished by God and may go to hell,” McClellan said.
“The calculated exploitation of a child’s innocence is difficult to comprehend. The power afforded to the adult by the institution is corrupted and used to abuse the child"
What was the response of of Jesus Christ to child abuse ?
“But if anyone is the downfall of one of these little kids who believes in me, it were better for him that he drowned in the deep of the sea with a great millstone tied round his neck.” (Matt 18:6)
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...e-than-100-child-abuse-prosecutions-says-head
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Latest news. Cardinal Pell has been formally charged with multiple sexual assault offences.
No point talking about the ins and outs of any alleged crimes but this trial will (obviously..) have a profound impact on ... everything. Lay in the chippies..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-29/cardinal-george-pell-charged-sexual-assault-offences/8547668
No point talking about the ins and outs of any alleged crimes but this trial will (obviously..) have a profound impact on ... everything. Lay in the chippies..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-29/cardinal-george-pell-charged-sexual-assault-offences/8547668
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I should point out that many of these allegations and crimes against Pell are historical.
I won't see it myself, but I can imagine in 10-30 years many cases of young Muslim boys and girls having being now sexually assaulted in Asrams and prayer groups and young Jewish boys and girls too.
There is now an alleged female paedophile in Israel protected by their judicial system from extradition to Australia who allegedly committed disgraceful sick acts against Melbourne girls under her care.
gg
I won't see it myself, but I can imagine in 10-30 years many cases of young Muslim boys and girls having being now sexually assaulted in Asrams and prayer groups and young Jewish boys and girls too.
There is now an alleged female paedophile in Israel protected by their judicial system from extradition to Australia who allegedly committed disgraceful sick acts against Melbourne girls under her care.
gg
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I offer absolutely no defence for those you mention. And shine upon them every aspect of inquiry and due response.
In regard Pell; Accusations of offences by him directly on others, is now before the court.
The much bigger tradgity is that the institution of the Catholic church has protected 'Historically' deeds by offenders under their control so heinous and protracted and then facilitated the further ghastly and evil perversions to be perpetrated by those in their employ; And then persecuted to the grave individuals damaged by the arrogant high handed and dismissive attitude of an institution that assumed itself to be above the law; The injured souls in their hundreds and thousands.
Pell embodies the ethos of this god awful institution, irregardless of the outcome of the ruling that awaits of the above mention accusations.
The pithy blatherings of some in the News Corp press that attempt to argue this as a distraction to Victoria's presumed current crime trouble, seem completly unable to quantify the magnitude this multi generation national disaster perpetrated against the most vulnerable.
By the last census results Jews and Muslims make up about a combined %4 percent of the Australian population. Catholics make up over a quarter ... Just hold that as a metric. And the damage is done.
I have to say something here;
I offer absolutely no defence for those you mention. And shine upon them every aspect of inquiry and due response.
In regard Pell; Accusations of offences by him directly on others, is now before the court.
The much bigger tradgity is that the institution of the Catholic church has protected 'Historically' deeds by offenders under their control so heinous and protracted and then facilitated the further ghastly and evil perversions to be perpetrated by those in their employ; And then persecuted to the grave individuals damaged by the arrogant high handed and dismissive attitude of an institution that assumed itself to be above the law; The injured souls in their hundreds and thousands.
Pell embodies the ethos of this god awful institution, irregardless of the outcome of the ruling that awaits of the above mention accusations.
The pithy blatherings of some in the News Corp press that attempt to argue this as a distraction to Victoria's presumed current crime trouble, seem completly unable to quantify the magnitude this multi generation national disaster perpetrated against the most vulnerable.
By the last census results Jews and Muslims make up about a combined %4 percent of the Australian population. Catholics make up over a quarter ... Just hold that as a metric. And the damage is done.