Resisting Climate Hysteria

[OzWaveGuy]

My point of reference is the 98% plus research from climate scientists that with a very large degree of agreement sees the climate change models producing between 2-5 degrees of warming in the next century.

Er, models? The sames ones that can't get the past temperatures right? The whole case for AGW is based on models and not observed facts - it's laughable. There's a "skid row" of false predictions from the very same alarmists with "models", er, like, no more snow, arctic ice completely gone, rising sea levels that will swamp islands, 50M climate refugees - the list goes on....

So you still drive a car, eat red meat and use power? Getting there? How exactly? Sell your car, stop buying meat, switch off the TV and reduce your power to the bare essentials - you can do this today! What's stopping you exactly? Didn't you know we're on a tipping point? Or are you suggesting it's everyone else that should go AGW "extreme" whilst you preach about models?

 

[Knobby22]

Er, models? The sames ones that can't get the past temperatures right? The whole case for AGW is based on models and not observed facts - it's laughable. There's a "skid row" of false predictions from the very same alarmists with "models", er, like, no more snow, arctic ice completely gone, rising sea levels that will swamp islands, 50M climate refugees - the list goes on....

So you still drive a car, eat red meat and use power? Getting there? How exactly? Sell your car, stop buying meat, switch off the TV and reduce your power to the bare essentials - you can do this today! What's stopping you exactly? Didn't you know we're on a tipping point? Or are you suggesting it's everyone else that should go AGW "extreme" whilst you preach about models?

Oh come on, just because a person may think that maybe we should be using energy more efficiently and avoid building more coal power stations if possible does not mean we should get around in grass skirts and live in caves. Geeez. It doesn't mean we have to vote Green or suddenly become socialists. It doesn't even mean we believe in a tipping point (I don't). It doesn't even mean we agree with this tax Labor is trying to set up.

And just because you disagree doesn't mean that you won't use your recycling bin (I hope it doesn't).

And when you say something is wrong give some evidence to support it rather than pulling stuff out of your proverbial and therby showing us the amazing intellect you are obviously so proud of.

By the way, did anyone read the speech by Jac Nassar of BHP. He made some very salient points that Labor should take on board. They better listen to him because I think a broad based tax is a mistake and we should be targeting it much more.

 

[Knobby22]

Hah! Greenpeace has just lost its charity status here as it has been (correctly) deemed a political organisation.

Follow the money indeed. Your inference here is analogous to claiming that only the Liberal party receive donations from vested interests. A laughable and astonishingly naive stance to take.

Yep! Follow the money.

You can knock the source, fair enough, but what about disproving their provided facts.
I don't know why you are bringing the Libs into it, it is just showing that a lot of the opposition is manufactured - through mis-information. The Libs and Labor are run by politicians - most of them party hacks, ex lawyers and ex teachers. They barely can understand most of the issues in my view, they just look at polls. I don't think donations comes into it -in Australia, the US is different as we all know what their politicians are like.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/sep/21/usnews.georgewbush

Oz wave guy keeps claiming that all the scientists have been corrupted - presumably by Greenpeace or someone - to lie. Even Nasa. Just providing some balance to the argument. There is big money opposing it.

 

[wayneL]

You can knock the source, fair enough, but what about disproving their provided facts.

The purported facts in the article are not relevant to the science.

I don't know why you are bringing the Libs into it, it is just showing that a lot of the opposition is manufactured - through mis-information. The Libs and Labor are run by politicians - most of them party hacks, ex lawyers and ex teachers. They barely can understand most of the issues in my view, they just look at polls. I don't think donations comes into it -in Australia, the US is different as we all know what their politicians are like.

Do you know what an analogy is? The Lib example was simply an analogy as clearly stated in my post.

SHEESHH!

 

[wayneL]

Sometimes when the JWs knock on my door and I'm bored, I'll invite them in for a chat.

This thread reminds me of the conversations I have with them... you see they have "proof" too.

 

[Knobby22]

Sometimes when the JWs knock on my door and I'm bored, I'll invite them in for a chat.

This thread reminds me of the conversations I have with them... you see they have "proof" too.

Another analogy with an obvious inference.

I won't argue this one.

 

[wayneL]

Another analogy with an obvious inference.

I won't argue this one.

It's how Jesus taught also. :

 

[Knobby22]

It's how Jesus taught also. :

Touche!

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Perhaps I've overstepped. Maybe Climate scientist dependent on the AGW gravy train aren't corrupt after all, perhaps they're just misunderstood.

Your dollars have been used to correct any misunderstanding about climate "scientists"....



Has the climate establishment stooped so low that they can no longer use actual science to hold up Carbon Dioxide as a deadly "pollutant" - so a rap jingle will now do the trick? wtf.

Royal commission please.

 

[basilio]

Good little rap clip there Ozzie. Maybe they are just saying they actually know what they talking about, that it's bloody serious and that the other (whatevers) just don't know xxxx.

The discussion about exactly what I am doing to reduce my impact on the environment is a choice piece of misdirection. We all need to work in the same direction if we are going to make necessary changes. But if it is left to a few earnest individuals to be the sacrificial lambs then their environmental savings will simply be gobbled up by the the rest of the community. Ask yourself how many people would pay their taxes if it was voluntary activity ? How about going on rations during a major war ?

Even when we talk of national efforts to reduce our CO2 emissions we get the protests that our emissions are just too insignificant to make a difference. Which of course is why any proposed actions need to be universal.

And by the way AGW model is now based on clearly recorded rises in global temperatures. That is why the Berkley Project is pulling together every scrap of global temperature information to provide a final, independent imprimatur on what is happening to our climate.

 

[trainspotter]

Sometimes when the JWs knock on my door and I'm bored, I'll invite them in for a chat.

This thread reminds me of the conversations I have with them... you see they have "proof" too.

I'm impressed ! Usually when I invite them in they run away screaming?

 

[Knobby22]

Perhaps I've overstepped. Maybe Climate scientist dependent on the AGW gravy train aren't corrupt after all, perhaps they're just misunderstood.

Your dollars have been used to correct any misunderstanding about climate "scientists"....



Has the climate establishment stooped so low that they can no longer use actual science to hold up Carbon Dioxide as a deadly "pollutant" - so a rap jingle will now do the trick? wtf.

Royal commission please.

I'm not sure what it proves ... had a good laugh.. I think they are trying to put it out there!!!

It does prove Scientist nerds can't rap.

Girl scientist nerds are a bit cute though.

I think it was a cry for help to put them in the media instead of the others -
I liked the Alan Jones bit!!!

Thanks Ozwaveguy for that.

I don't think it proves your point that they are evil and corrupt though - maybe lame I'll agree with.
Good try though!!!!

 

[Calliope]

I don't think it proves your point that they are evil and corrupt though - maybe lame I'll agree with.

They promised us global warming. They lied.

 

[Knobby22]

They promised us global warming. They lied.

Hey Calliope, I thought everyone agreed the world is warming - we were disagreeing with the causes and extent.

Not happening?

 

[wayneL]

The discussion about exactly what I am doing to reduce my impact on the environment is a choice piece of misdirection. We all need to work in the same direction if we are going to make necessary changes. But if it is left to a few earnest individuals to be the sacrificial lambs then their environmental savings will simply be gobbled up by the the rest of the community. Ask yourself how many people would pay their taxes if it was voluntary activity ? How about going on rations during a major war ?

Even when we talk of national efforts to reduce our CO2 emissions we get the protests that our emissions are just too insignificant to make a difference. Which of course is why any proposed actions need to be universal.

In other words you're doing #### all?

And by the way AGW model is now based on clearly recorded rises in global temperatures. That is why the Berkley Project is pulling together every scrap of global temperature information to provide a final, independent imprimatur on what is happening to our climate.

And you believe it will be any more accurate that all previous failures?

BTW you mentioned "extrapolation" of data. You do realize this is an egregious mistake in analyzing chaotic systems such as economics, weather and... climate?

 

[OzWaveGuy]

Today's discussions have been quite a good show and clearly demonstrates the problem the climate establishment has, for example:

• the AGW alarmists in this thread are actually doing nothing significant themselves to reduce their own "deadly" CO2 footprint - which we already knew.
• alarmists believe climate "scientists" are really climate scientist with no agenda (as long as they sing the AGW rap song)
• alarmists believe "big oil" is de-railing the AGW climate train. Perhaps all of those here that aren't swayed by AGW propaganda are in fact on the take by "big oil". Where's my cheque?
• and there's no corruption by the AGW establishment

So what's the problem the AGW folks have? No credibility

Knobby, Basilio, derty, post away all you want - you have nothing to give. It only makes your delusion more obvious when you're not addressing the multitude of questions thru this thread regarding the corruption, the ever changing climate story and the lengths alarmists will go in convincing us all there's a drastic problem called carbon dioxide pollution.

How about creating your own thread titled "What we are doing to help the globe and all mankind", perhaps there will be some real discussion on innovations and ideas that do benefit us all. Or is that too hard and it's easier to pontificate the AGW scam to others?

 

[Calliope]

Hey Calliope, I thought everyone agreed the world is warming

No. Everyone agrees that the climate changes. It's a cyclical thing. The earth warms - the earth cools.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

No. Everyone agrees that the climate changes. It's a cyclical thing. The earth warms - the earth cools.

Our third night of a bitter winter here in Townsville, projected 10deg C, then who can believe projections.

It is all weather.

gg

 

[IFocus]

Today's discussions have been quite a good show and clearly demonstrates the problem the climate establishment has, for example:

• the AGW alarmists in this thread are actually doing nothing significant themselves to reduce their own "deadly" CO2 footprint - which we already knew.
• alarmists believe climate "scientists" are really climate scientist with no agenda (as long as they sing the AGW rap song)
• alarmists believe "big oil" is de-railing the AGW climate train. Perhaps all of those here that aren't swayed by AGW propaganda are in fact on the take by "big oil". Where's my cheque?
• and there's no corruption by the AGW establishment

So what's the problem the AGW folks have? No credibility

Knobby, Basilio, derty, post away all you want - you have nothing to give. It only makes your delusion more obvious when you're not addressing the multitude of questions thru this thread regarding the corruption, the ever changing climate story and the lengths alarmists will go in convincing us all there's a drastic problem called carbon dioxide pollution.

How about creating your own thread titled "What we are doing to help the globe and all mankind", perhaps there will be some real discussion on innovations and ideas that do benefit us all. Or is that too hard and it's easier to pontificate the AGW scam to others?

OWG when you attack the individual during a discussion.........its generally because you have nothing of substance to argue.

i.e. you become just another politician IMHO

 

[Calliope]

OWG when you attack the individual during a discussion.........its generally because you have nothing of substance to argue.

Not if you attack the individual for talking rubbish.