Resisting Climate Hysteria

noco · 28 April 2017

Ves said:
Yeah cool story bro...

I'm fairly sure, given the fact that I post here on ASF far less frequently these days, that I've got no desires of being a forum moderator or any plans of forum domination (lol).

Some how you've created yet another situation in your mind where you can act like the victim and we're all out to get you off the forum. All because you didn't like criticism of your argument.

There's no need to get upset, post whatever you like, but everyone here is allowed to respond.

I'm happy to sit here and argue until we're black and blue.

Yes of course everyone is allowed to respond but when you get nasty with your ridicule, insinuations and character assassination it only proves one thing and that is you show no moderation with that vicious tongue of yours......You carry on like a delinquent juvenile who can't get his own way.....

Junior · 28 April 2017

noco said:
Hmmm....not as much as those ugly wind turbines...

Hazelwood, Latrobe Valley:

Toora wind farm, 100km down the road from Moe. No smoke, no fire, no hole in the ground. Yes, a lot less energy from just a few turbines, but would rather 10,000 of these than one big stinking, polluting coal plant, and the associated hole which grows larger by the year. Not to mention the vast quantity of water these plants churn through every year.

Ves · 28 April 2017

noco said:
Yes of course everyone is allowed to respond but when you get nasty with your ridicule, insinuations and character assassination it only proves one thing and that is you show no moderation with that vicious tongue of yours......You carry on like a delinquent juvenile who can't get his own way.....

That's just your opinion of me and not something I'm too concerned about. You've actually got it wrong, I'm not carrying on like someone who doesn't get his own way, I'm carrying on like someone who does get his own way and apparently that's very frustrating for people like you.

overhang · 28 April 2017

Junior said:
Toora wind farm, 100km down the road from Moe. No smoke, no fire, no hole in the ground. Yes, a lot less energy from just a few turbines, but would rather 10,000 of these than one big stinking, polluting coal plant, and the associated hole which grows larger by the year. Not to mention the vast quantity of water these plants churn through every year.

Yes spot on, Noco, Joe Hockey, Andrew Bolt and the like can go live next to a coal mine/plant and expose themselves to the proven negative health impacts associated with living in close proximity to coal operations, I'll take my chances on the unproven health impacts of a wind farm.

noco · 28 April 2017

explod said:
Observations are facts noco. The windmill on our farm or the wind turbines just south at Yambuk have been there many years now and friends from my school footy days at Yambuk just laugh at those saying they kill the birds in that area.

Direct observation and on the spot experience are the best facts noco. You should study law and learn about the real substance required to prove a fact. The internet is comprised of multiple opinions which lose the truth due to intertwined bias and wishful thinking mixed in that endless tub.

We all wish that climate change did not exist noco, and its progress is so alarming that many turn their heads and pretend it is not so. In my career only facts could and are acted upon and my head cannot turn away from the truth

Plod I do believe we have been down this track before regarding direct observations....You have a short memory.

You may recall we established the fact that I was in uniform when you were in liquid form and just a twinkle in your fathers eyes.

You may recall me telling you how I worked on sheep stations in the South Western Queensland in the late 40's and early 50's.......I hope you have not forgotten me telling you how I went through drought, fire and floods having been marooned on one station for 2 weeks south of Meandarra.......No panic.....No helicopters to drop food....We all survived because of the past experience of the smart cockie who had been through it before and so had his father and grand father and all knew how to cater for extreme weather.

So extreme weather is not new....My mother was born in Port Douglas....She witnessed coral bleaching in the early 1900's.....Their house was completely destroyed in the 1908 cyclone.

With all this installation of solar and wind power, by what degree has it reduced the Global temperature?

So yes I have been through violent thunder storms in Brisbane a s kid.....I have been through 4 cyclones in 46 years living in NQ.

So don't talk to me about observations young fellow....

noco · 28 April 2017

overhang said:
Yes spot on, Noco, Joe Hockey, Andrew Bolt and the like can go live next to a coal mine/plant and expose themselves to the proven negative health impacts associated with living in close proximity to coal operations, I'll take my chances on the unproven health impacts of a wind farm.

Perhaps you may change your mind after reading this link on how wind farms are affecting the health of human beings, sheep and cattle....So yes, go and live in wind farm and take your chances.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3653647/

SirRumpole · 28 April 2017

noco said:
Perhaps you may change your mind after reading this link on how wind farms are affecting the health of human beings, sheep and cattle....So yes, go and live in wind farm and take your chances.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3653647/

And we also must be concerned about all that sunlight reflecting off solar cells on roofs all around the country going back into the atmosphere and heating it up.

Tisme · 28 April 2017

noco said:
Perhaps you may change your mind after reading this link on how wind farms are affecting the health of human beings, sheep and cattle....So yes, go and live in wind farm and take your chances.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3653647/

Is there any proof of infrasound and sickness, plus wouldn't city folk have more exposure to it than out on the farm?

noco · 28 April 2017

Tisme said:
Is there any proof of infrasound and sickness, plus wouldn't city folk have more exposure to it than out on the farm?

I would have thought the link provided would have been enough proof of wind farm sickness.....I noted a TV interview with a woman in SA indicating the affects it had on her life.

basilio · 28 April 2017

I'm delighted to see Noco quoting papers presented in reputable Medical Journals on the effects of wind turbines on health. Do we now do a comparative analysis on the effects of coal and diesel particulate emissions on health Vs wind turbine effects ?

basilio · 28 April 2017

Some interesting developments in the political landscape in US on Global Warming.

The Republicans who care about climate change: 'They are done with the denial'
As despair intensifies over Trump’s agenda, the bipartisan Climate Solutions Caucus brings Democrats and Republicans together to break the deadlock

.......Donald Trump, meanwhile, has vacillated on the issue but has previously called climate science “bull****” and a “hoax”. His actions since becoming president perhaps speak loudest: he has set about dismantling the Clean Power Plan, thrown open federal lands to coal mining, ordered the revision of clean air regulations and halted new vehicle emissions standards.
But amid climate activists’ despair, there are fresh shoots of hope that, as a party, Republicans’ climate intransigence is shifting. A growing group of Republicans in Congress are newly emboldened and are speaking out in favor of finally addressing a crisis that is starting to bite their constituents.
The Climate Solutions Caucus, set up just last year, now has 38 members, half of them Republicans. The congressional group, which is crafting bipartisan action on climate change, is bolstered by a new chorus of big business, faith groups and young college-based Republicans that are demanding the GOP drops the climate skepticism that has become a key part of its identity over the past decade.
If you want to join as a Democrat, you have to bring a Republican. It’s a Noah’s Ark approach, which is appropriate

Ted Deutch, a Florida Democrat

“The vast majority of Republicans in private buy the science – the likes of Inhofe are in the minority,” said Danny Richter, legislative director of the Citizens’ Climate Lobby, a non-profit group that painstakingly helped put together the caucus.

“What Republicans needed was safe passage to talk about climate action in public, to not be the the first one to walk down that rickety bridge. There’s now a group who can see their constituents are genuinely concerned about climate change.
“They are done with the denial. That should really shift something fundamental in American politics.”
The standard bearer in Congress is Carlos Curbelo, whose district includes the Florida Keys, an area in serious peril from the advancing seas. Curbelo, the son of Cuban migrants, said his generally moderate views and age – he’s 37 – make him “both an old-school Republican and also a new young Republican.”
Curbelo was the first Republican to join the Climate Solutions Caucus and co-chairs it alongside Ted Deutch, a Florida Democrat. In a bid to get beyond partisanship, members of the group are evenly split. “If you want to join as a Democrat, you have to bring along a Republican,” said Deutch. “It’s a Noah’s Ark sort of approach, which is appropriate given the subject matter. We don’t argue about the science. It’s all very respectful.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/27/climate-solutions-caucus-republicans-trump

overhang · 28 April 2017

noco said:
Perhaps you may change your mind after reading this link on how wind farms are affecting the health of human beings, sheep and cattle....So yes, go and live in wind farm and take your chances.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3653647/

I will take the findings of the 20+ peer reviewed studies that have shown no proof of wind farms causing adverse health effects than 1 questionable paper authored by the board of directors of the "Society for Wind Vigilance". http://www.aweablog.org/when-medica...-targets-family-doctors-with-bad-information/

A few crackpots worry so much about a risk that is non-existent that they cause themselves anxiety.

The AMA has released a position statement on wind farms, saying its stance is based on credible Australian and international studies.

"People living near wind farms who experience adverse health or wellbeing may well do so because of heightened anxiety or negative perceptions about wind farms," he said.

basilio · 28 April 2017

Nice work Overhang. I have to say I was very surprised at the Journal study because to my knowledge there was precious little peer reviewed research that identified illnesses caused by wind turbines. So when one looks behind the study and sees just how it was constructed we realise how bad actors can twist words and research to create they results they want to see.
No surprises here.

luutzu · 28 April 2017

basilio said:
I'm delighted to see Noco quoting papers presented in reputable Medical Journals on the effects of wind turbines on health. Do we now do a comparative analysis on the effects of coal and diesel particulate emissions on health Vs wind turbine effects ?

There's a recent study showing a strong correlation between living near highways and high incidents of Alzheimer. But I guess it could just be due to poor diet or poverty.

A couple of politicians in Baltimore, US, is against offshore wind farm because it ruin the ocean view. That it's unfair on residents who work hard, got rich and live by the sea to now have their ocean horizon ruin by the turbines.

And of course it also affect tourism, leading to loss of jobs and destroyed families.

Incredible the kind of thing people can say when they're paid a bit.

cynic · 28 April 2017

overhang said:
I will take the findings of the 20+ peer reviewed studies that have shown no proof of wind farms causing adverse...

A few crackpots worry so much about a risk that is non-existent that they cause themselves anxiety.

Perhaps your sentiments may be true of other things!

I am genuinely undecided on the percieved impacts (or absence thereof) attributed to various technologies.

I have voiced my concerns and speculations that there just might, conceivably, be some unforseen, or yet to be discovered harm from the sudden oversaturated usage of some of these alternative technologies.

By now the readers of this thread, will doubtless be aware, that I am not really much of a fan of the "lots of scientists agree" ideology.

Absence of proof, whilst it can be heartening, isn't quite the same thing as proof of absence!

In saying this, I do recognise, that these same arguments, are more than likely, to have equal relevance to my chosen perspective on these matters.

noco · 28 April 2017

basilio said:
Some interesting developments in the political landscape in US on Global Warming.

The Republicans who care about climate change: 'They are done with the denial'
As despair intensifies over Trump’s agenda, the bipartisan Climate Solutions Caucus brings Democrats and Republicans together to break the deadlock

.......Donald Trump, meanwhile, has vacillated on the issue but has previously called climate science “bull****” and a “hoax”. His actions since becoming president perhaps speak loudest: he has set about dismantling the Clean Power Plan, thrown open federal lands to coal mining, ordered the revision of clean air regulations and halted new vehicle emissions standards.
But amid climate activists’ despair, there are fresh shoots of hope that, as a party, Republicans’ climate intransigence is shifting. A growing group of Republicans in Congress are newly emboldened and are speaking out in favor of finally addressing a crisis that is starting to bite their constituents.
The Climate Solutions Caucus, set up just last year, now has 38 members, half of them Republicans. The congressional group, which is crafting bipartisan action on climate change, is bolstered by a new chorus of big business, faith groups and young college-based Republicans that are demanding the GOP drops the climate skepticism that has become a key part of its identity over the past decade.
If you want to join as a Democrat, you have to bring a Republican. It’s a Noah’s Ark approach, which is appropriate

Ted Deutch, a Florida Democrat

“The vast majority of Republicans in private buy the science – the likes of Inhofe are in the minority,” said Danny Richter, legislative director of the Citizens’ Climate Lobby, a non-profit group that painstakingly helped put together the caucus.

“What Republicans needed was safe passage to talk about climate action in public, to not be the the first one to walk down that rickety bridge. There’s now a group who can see their constituents are genuinely concerned about climate change.
“They are done with the denial. That should really shift something fundamental in American politics.”
The standard bearer in Congress is Carlos Curbelo, whose district includes the Florida Keys, an area in serious peril from the advancing seas. Curbelo, the son of Cuban migrants, said his generally moderate views and age – he’s 37 – make him “both an old-school Republican and also a new young Republican.”
Curbelo was the first Republican to join the Climate Solutions Caucus and co-chairs it alongside Ted Deutch, a Florida Democrat. In a bid to get beyond partisanship, members of the group are evenly split. “If you want to join as a Democrat, you have to bring along a Republican,” said Deutch. “It’s a Noah’s Ark sort of approach, which is appropriate given the subject matter. We don’t argue about the science. It’s all very respectful.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/27/climate-solutions-caucus-republicans-trump

From the good old communist paper the Guardian who are good friends of the Green/Labor socialist coalition.....What else would you expect from them?

basilio · 28 April 2017

noco said:
From the good old communist paper the Guardian who are good friends of the Green/Labor socialist coalition.....What else would you expect from them?

Tell you what Noco. You seem like a sporting man with a keen sense of a winning bet.

I've got $10,000 that says I can find that Climate Solutions caucus story right across the net. Reuters, Sunshine news god knows where else. Same reality. Just covered by different media organisations.
Are you game for a friendly wager ? Your allowed to have a peek on the net before you respond. Wouldn't want to take undue advantage of you mate.

noco · 28 April 2017

basilio said:
Tell you what Noco. You seem like a sporting man with a keen sense of a winning bet.

I've got $10,000 that says I can find that Climate Solutions caucus story right across the net. Reuters, Sunshine news god knows where else. Same reality. Just covered by different media organisations.
Are you game for a friendly wager ? Your allowed to have a peek on the net before you respond. Wouldn't want to take undue advantage of you mate.

I will take your $10,000 and raise it to a $1million.

basilio · 28 April 2017

noco said:
I will take your $10,000 and raise it to a $1million.

Never surrender, never retreat. Bravo Noco - the same imperious denier of reality we are used to seeing every day of the week, every week of the year.
Anyone, including you, can find a dozen stories of the emergence of the joint Democratic- Republican Climate Solutions caucus on the net. It is a very creative way of attempting to enable a political consensus on CC in the US.
But you have to be very special Noco to denounce the reporting of this fact by The Guardian as another example of "good old communist paper The Guardian".
Don't worry about finding me with the million bucks mate. I'll send Tiny and Titch around next week to collect it.....

http://citizensclimatelobby.org/climate-solutions-caucus/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-congress-idUSKBN16905I
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-11/can-only-congress-prevent-climate-change
http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/03/14/520022064/a-spark-of-hope-for-climate-change-reality
https://www.fcnl.org/updates/who-is-in-the-bipartisan-climate-solutions-caucus-772
http://www.courierpress.com/story/o...eeds-part-climate-solutions-caucus/100574492/
https://newny23rd.com/2017/03/31/climate-solutions-caucus/
http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/st...-caucus-led-south-florida-congressmen-expands
https://www.ncronline.org/social-tags/climate-solutions-caucus
https://www.ncronline.org/social-tags/climate-solutions-caucus

wayneL · 29 April 2017

Done with the denial eh?

Curiously, the most extreme of the alarmist camp are among those suffering the worst from denial.

Confirmation bias is a bitch.

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