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Resisting Climate Hysteria



How come you're suspicious of the left and greens but not at all suspicious of the Right and the "climate realist"?

Fair enough to be sceptical of the hippies do gooders, but come on noco. If Al Gore can benefit from the carbon trading scheme so exaggerate CC and fossil's role in it... who else would benefit from denying fossil have no role in what CC?


I think the Sun is the problem all along. IF there's no Sun, we can have all the CO2 and methan and whatever gas that traps heat.
 
Page 444 of this thread!

I don't know which is flat-lining the most in the public opinion. The extreme claims of some of the AGW zealots, or Malcolm Turnbull's PM'ship.

Nobody wanted to talk AGW during the latest Fed election campaign.
 
Makes pretty clear sense to me: from the Guardian, was also on ABC and commercial radio this morning.

 
Makes pretty clear sense to me: from the Guardian, was also on ABC and commercial radio this morning.

Well, it did not take long to find out about Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein is a member of the Fabian Society...She is a socialist left from Canada...She is anti capitalism....anti coal mines ...anti development and her criticism of the Great Barrier Reef is highly exaggerated.

The Great Barrier Reef is in great shape and has gone through severe stress over the past 500,00 years.....Most of any coral bleaching recovers within 12 months.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_Klein
 
Makes pretty clear sense to me: from the Guardian, was also on ABC and commercial radio this morning.

Graeme Kelleher, who was the first chief executive of the authority, a position he held for 16 years, said: “Australia cannot have a healthy Great Barrier Reef and a continuing coal industry.

“I love the reef and I have worked to preserve it since 1979; I will oppose anything that threatens to destroy it,” he said.


Graeme Kelleher was a civil engineer and past CEO of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Authority who has expressed his personal view on the Barrier Reef and is not necessarily the view of the Marine Authority.

Graeme Kelleher is a member of the Greens Party and is obviously anti coal mines.

That whole article posted by Explod is a typical fabrication of the truth particularly when one see the involvement of the Guardian and the ABC.

I for one cannot place a lot of credence in that article given the past history of lies and fabrications admitted to by the Guardian and the ABC.
 
I for one cannot place a lot of credence in that article given the past history of lies and fabrications admitted to by the Guardian and the ABC.

Not to mention all those biased scientists all over the world lying their heads off to keep their jobs.

Filthy Commies.
 
Professor Peter Ridd of JCU Townsville has studied the Great Barrier Reef for 30 + years.......I have met Peter on two occasions as President of the AWWA and found both he and the late Professor Bob Carter to be of good character who were both very open minded about the Reef.

Peter was outspoken and critical of some of the lies and propaganda being spruiked about the reef and silenced with the threat of the sack by the JCU......HOW DARE THEY.?

I ask all viewers to read the link from beginning to end.

NB. Much of the reef that has recently been affected is north of Cooktown where there is no coal mines or agricultural run off from sugar cane farms.

Naomi Klein visited the reef, did a video of the bad areas but did not video the good areas.....There was no indication of which part of the 2,500 km long reef she visited.

More lies and propaganda to make out the reef is totally destroyed......These people could not lie straight in bed.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/hig...y/news-story/c7aa0e0ac1c1dec1b065273d2e968f6d


When marine scientist Peter Ridd suspected something was wrong with photographs being used to highlight the rapid decline of the Great Barrier Reef, he did what good scientists are supposed to do: he sent a team to check the facts.

After attempting to blow the whistle on what he found — healthy corals — Professor Ridd was censured by James Cook University and threatened with the sack. After a formal investigation, Professor Ridd — a renowned campaigner for quality assurance over coral research from JCU’s Marine Geophysics Laboratory — was found guilty of “failing to act in a collegial way and in the academic spirit of the institution”.

His crime was to encourage questioning of two of the nation’s leading reef institutions, the Centre of Excellence for Coral Studies and the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, on whether they knew that photographs they had published and claimed to show long-term collapse of reef health could be misleading and wrong.

“These photographs are a big deal as they are plastered right across the internet and used very widely to claim damage,” Professor Ridd told The Weekend Australian.

The photographs were taken near Stone Island off Bowen. A photograph taken in the late 19th century shows healthy coral. An accompanying picture supposedly of the same reef in 1994 is *devoid of coral. When the before-and-after shots were used by GBRMPA in its 2014 report, the authority said: “Historical photographs of inshore coral reefs have been especially powerful in illustrating changes over time, and that the change illustrated is typical of many inshore reefs.”

Professor Ridd said it was only possible to guess within a kilometre or two where the original photograph was taken and it would not be unusual to find great coral in one spot and nothing a kilometre away, as his researchers had done. Nor was it possible to say what had killed the coral in the 1994 picture.

“In fact, there are literally hundreds of square kilometres of dead reef-flat on the Great Barrier Reef which was killed due to the slow sea-level fall of about a meter that has occurred over the last 5000 years,” he said. “My point is not that they have probably got this completely wrong but rather what are the quality assurance measures they take to try to ensure they are not telling a misleading story?”

A GBRMPA spokesman said last night “the historical photos serve to demonstrate the vulnerability of nearshore coral reefs, rather than a specific cause for their decline.

“Ongoing monitoring shows coral growth in some locations, however this doesn’t detract from the bigger picture, which shows shallow inshore areas of the Great Barrier Reef south of Port Douglas have clearly degraded over a period of decades.” Centre of Excellence for Coral Studies chairman Terry Hughes did not respond to questions from The Weekend Australian.

Professor Ridd was disciplined for breaching principle 1 of JCU’s code of conduct by “not displaying responsibility in respecting the reputations of other colleagues”. He has been told that if he does it again he may be found guilty of *serious misconduct.

A JCU spokesman said it was university policy not to comment on individual staff, but that the university’s marine science was subject to “the same quality assurance processes that govern the conduct of, and delivery of, *science internationally”.

This is the crux of the issue for Professor Ridd: “I feel as though I am the whistleblower.”

His potential downfall is the *result of a long campaign for better quality assurance standards for ocean and reef research, which has come under fire globally for exaggerating bad news and ignoring the good. Reef politics is a hot topic in the wake of widescale bleaching of corals on the Great Barrier Reef as part of what US agencies have called the world’s third mass-bleaching event.

James Cook University's Professor Peter Ridd on Townsville's Strand. Picture: Cameron Laird
James Cook University's Professor Peter Ridd on Townsville's Strand. Picture: Cameron Laird

About a quarter of the Great Barrier Reef has died and could take years to rebuild. The damage is concentrated in the northern section off Cape York. The scientific response to the bleaching has exposed a rift *between GBRMPA and the JCU’s Coral Bleaching Taskforce led by Professor Hughes over how bleaching data should be treated and presented to the public. Conservation groups have run hard on the issue, with graphic *images of dying corals. All sides of politics have responded with *increased funding to reduce sediment flow and to combat crown of thorns starfish.

University of Western Australia marine biologist Carlos Duarte argued in BioScience last year that bias contributed to “perpetuating the perception of ocean calamities in the absence of robust evidence”.

A paper published this year claimed scientific journals had exaggerated bad news on ocean acidification and played down the doubts. Former GBRMPA chairman Ian McPhail accused activists of “exaggerating the impact of coral bleaching for political and financial gain”. Dr McPhail told The Weekend Australian it “seems that there is a group of researchers who begin with the premise that all is disaster”.
Concerns about quality assurance in science are not confined to the reef. Drug-makers generated headlines when they were unable to replicate the results of landmark studies in the basic science of cancer. Professor Ridd poses the question: “Is the situation in marine science likely to be worse than in medicine and pharmaceuticals, psychology, education? Do we have a decent system of replication and checking of results?

“Is there a chance that many marine scientists are partially driven by ideology? Is there a chance that peer review among this group is self-selecting of the dominant idea? Is there a robust debate without intimidation?”

Professor Ridd wants an independent agency to check the science before governments commit to spending hundreds of millions of dollars.

There is no doubt the current bleaching is a serious event but there are also many questions still to be answered. The consensus position of reef experts is that bleaching events will get worse as ocean temperatures continue to rise because of climate change.
 
The punch line in the following is this statement: "It's not the expected signature of climate change," lead researcher Michael Tippett told Christopher Joyce at NPR, "it could be either something else, or we really don't understand what climate change is doing."

So "we don't really understand" and by ignoring the overall issue we are playing with fire and the future for our children.



 
Our rapidly changing world

The reality of rapid global warming is affecting the environment everywhere. Check it out


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/env...survival-challenge-grows-20161123-gsvgcj.html
 
7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

7:2-3 "And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea," "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

 
8:6-7 "And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound." "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up."

It's all there, foretold eons ago.
 
I have another good idea. Enough solar panels covering the planet will soak up the radiation from that mass of hydrogen doing so much damage to poor little human beans. Maybe human beans can design the planet better than nature. Government rebates on air conditioners and a planet wide turn on your air con. day once a year.
 
Not to mention all those biased scientists all over the world lying their heads off to keep their jobs.

I have said this before in this thread, but....

I have several CSIRO scientists as clients. We often chat how this is indeed often the case, not just in climate science, every field.

My wife's dearest friend (now deceased ) was a PhD in gene technology and safety officer (not sure of the exact title) at UWA. Basically she was overseer of every study done there in her field. She reckoned no more than 10% of science conducted was fair dinkum and used to have all sort of problems with her dept and in ensuring the integrity of studies.

I myself am a consumer of science in my own field. Most of it is just farkin laughable and results in all sorts of misery for equines.

Scientists are not some special breed of human (except in *very* rare cases), they are just average morons like all of us, subject to all the usual foibles, biases, vested interest, mercantilism that we are.

So FFS stop this appeal to authority fallacy.

Doubt everything, test everything, repeat everything and ask the most important question - qui bono? Follow the Goddamn money folks... and don't immediately exercise your raging bias by looking to oil companies. The money trail is a labrinth.
 
Horace, basilio, Plod, Knobby et al.

Have a read of this article by Pielke Jr (Who is not a warming skeptic) if you please. It is emblematic of the state of debate.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/my-unhappy-life-as-a-climate-heretic-1480723518

 
. She reckoned no more than 10% of science conducted was fair dinkum and used to have all sort of problems with her dept and in ensuring the integrity of studies.

I'd suspect 90% is filling out procedural, policy and other non productive forms which keeps 90% of the public service shuffling paper and in a job too. In return they get an over inflated wage, salary sacrificed superdupa superannuation, a negatively geared house paid by taxpayers and flexitime to do as little as possible in a very small productivity window whilst reading the latest trends in science China and India.
 

That last sentence is the nail.

http://grist.org/climate-energy/there-is-no-evidence/
 
It won't work. As Malcolm Roberts said, there is no real damage to the barrier reef and the Bureau of Meteorology is manipulating data. you could stand him on the north pole in 10 years time and as he is drowning he will say that there is plenty of snow and someone has put him in the North Sea and that the satellite data is a plot.

He can't see that but he complains we can't see the obvious things like the fact the Rothschild's killed JFK.
 
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