wayneL
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What a xxxxing appalling promo ! Just cannot fathom how that idea and it's execution (sic) got put onto you tube.
I think the 10/10 concept was/is really great. But not like this... It should be titled
"How to self destruct in 3 minutes"
Indeed.
There is nothing wrong with the message even if motivated by a religious delusion.
But there are no surprises that this video was supported by the pious and sanctimonious pastors of the GW sect at The Guardian... Wayne L
Actually reading the comments I thought the majority of people believed it was a stupid, counterproductive piece - even when they agreed with the idea.
I would really like to hear the argument that says this was a funny clip which gave an edge to the issue. I just can't see it..
Climate has always changed. I learned in school about the carbon cycle. It goes round and round, but carbon in = carbon out. We're not making new carbon. But of course, I was forgetting, the science is 'decided'.
..counterproductive i doubt it....the deniers believe what they want, the ad is trying to grab the attention of people who don't have an opinion, climate agnostics or apathetics.
Cheers So_Cynical, and quite right about the GF replay= bad idea.... and you think its ok to release all that stored carbon over a couple of hundred years?
Release all that stored carbon...you mean like a volcano, or a giant bushfire? Or a comet impact? Did Mt St Helens cause climate change, or centuries earlier Mt Etna?
All-powerful Mother Gaia seems terribly concerned about a few coal-fired power stations. Here's what would keep atmospheric carbon from increasing: hydro-electric and nuclear power stations.
The clear and present danger is not climate change, it is Green dogma. How many pensioners, warming themselves by a roaring candle, will it take to appease the voracious Green demagogue?
It is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of non-fossil fuel electricity production globally is from nuclear and hydro which collectively account for close to 40% of total generation.Do you know what runs this website? Coal-fired power stations. Do you know what your house frame is made from? Timber from native forests. Go into a greenie's house, do you know which timber they're featuring? It isn't plantation softwood!
All-powerful Mother Gaia seems terribly concerned about a few coal-fired power stations. Here's what would keep atmospheric carbon from increasing: hydro-electric and nuclear power stations.
The clear and present danger is not climate change, it is Green dogma. How many pensioners, warming themselves by a roaring candle, will it take to appease the voracious Green demagogue?
Let's ask Tasmanians shall we.
With respect, that's a really silly thing to say.Clearly we are in uncharted waters, truth is everybody's guessing what will or wont happen...denial is never an answer,
So if all the above are 'vested interests' even including the passionate Greens, who exactly is left?IMO its the combination of the deniers, greens, vested interests (oil/gas/coal/nuke) and the status quo that are the real danger....there doesn't seem to be any middle ground, just the 2 extremes pulling the centre apart so that nothing changes and nothing gets done.
With respect, that's a really silly thing to say.
First you say "everyone is guessing" and then you add "denial is never an answer". Contradictory.
Sails also linked to an article discussing the Royal Society document a couple of days ago.There seems to be a definte amount of uncertaintity relating to so called scientific evidence of Global Warming or Climate change created by man. Climate change is real, but doubt is mounting as to the cause, particularly from CO2 emmissions.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...facts-on-climate/story-e6frg71x-1225933016966
Here is the Royal Society report, it is quite interesting: http://royalsociety.org/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4294972963The Royal Society said:Climate change: a summary of the science, describes how and why the earth is currently warming, and explains the wide range of independent measurements and observations which underpin this understanding. It shows that there is strong evidence that over the last half century, the earth’s warming has been caused largely by human activity. It also explains the uncertainty involved in predicting the size of future temperature increases. There are many potentially serious consequences of climate change, so that important decisions need to be made. The guide concludes that, as in many other areas, policy choices will have to be made in the absence of perfect knowledge, but that the scientific evidence is an essential part of public reasoning in this complex and challenging area.
Thanks for providing quite a good example of the issue as I see it.climate change is a load of crap, its just the next money maker for the super wealthy people like the Rothschilds have been involved in this movement for years before it became global.
climate change is a load of crap, its just the next money maker for the super wealthy people like the Rothschilds have been involved in this movement for years before it became global.
Temperatures are increasing, the confidence that it is human induced is increasing to the point where now it is a fringe debate, regardless of how the media and blogosphere portray it. The climate takes no notice of ideology.
LOL....You've misrepresented the facts significantly....it is no longer a "fringe debate" as you've put it. People are more aware of the issues being put forth and want more facts v's pictures of polar bears, broken hockey stick graphs and a copenhagen agreement that was a global governance play....not to reduce life giving Carbon Dioxide but to tax the life out of every person on the planet.
Wake up
LOL....You've misrepresented the facts significantly....it is no longer a "fringe debate" as you've put it. People are more aware of the issues being put forth and want more facts v's pictures of polar bears, broken hockey stick graphs and a copenhagen agreement that was a global governance play. The corruption in the consensus "green movement" is rife, with $80B being spent to build the AGW case since the 1980s in the US alone.
The consensus science is no longer "plodding" along building a AGW case, in fact their case continues to dissolve as more and more real scientists analyze the "consensus" data. At the same time, the politicians are back to playing sneaky games to ram thru a carbon tax and build a global governance structure - not to reduce life giving Carbon Dioxide but to tax the life out of every person on the planet.
Wake up
Thanks for providing quite a good example of the issue as I see it.
Most people do not under stand the science or the scientific process, let alone the basic mechanisms that drive and buffer climate variation at the various time scales. Most people do not consider rates of change, historic absolute minima and maxima are directly compared to current conditions with no consideration of context.
What I think is the case is that people object in ideological grounds to the imposition of new taxes/envirofascist greenies/new world order by stealth/leftist rule e.t.c. and then because of that decide that the science must be wrong.
The scientists have been plodding along, gathering evidence and building a case and improving certainties. The issue enters the realms of politics, there is talk of taxes and economic pain and then big oil and other vested interests wades in and the discreditation campaign commences and now climate science is built on the work of dishonest money hungry charlatans.
There are vested interests that want the carbon economy, there are vested interests that want to maintain the status-quo and in the centre is the science. Temperatures are increasing, the confidence that it is human induced is increasing to the point where now it is a fringe debate, regardless of how the media and blogosphere portray it. The climate takes no notice of ideology.
Nice summary on the competing interests
OWG :bonk: care to walk us thru how this global governance play would work out....this conspiracy stuff really intrigues me, perhaps we should all start posting in code...there probably monitoring everything that goes on here.
A deal must include an equitable global governance structure. All countries must have a voice in how resources are deployed and managed.
We will establish a global governance structure to monitor and manage the implementation of this
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