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Yeah you need to eat 3,500 per annum of them to get a buzz or about 10 a day to be 3% chance of getting a cancerous causing cell ... whatever.
E=Mc2 is part of societal law ERGO Newton's Law (Theorised in 1905) . This also is up for debate ...
http://www.circlon.com/living-universe/025-how-einstein-was-wrong-about-E=MC2.html
Nope .. not what I have said ANYWHERE ... Man is polluting this planet and it needs to change dramatically in the way we see how we fit in with the environment. Plastic dumped on the land ends in the ocean for instance ...
Let's fix this and then talk seriously about pumping Co2 into the atmosphere
Oh wait I forgot about this little pet hate of mine in Indonesia ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-24/indonesian-haze-reaches-the-philippines/6881564
And you want to whinge about cars and factories in first world countries ??? Bring it on !!!!!!!!!! :shoot::shoot:
You want cause and effect on the atmosphere?? Try India for example ...
So before you write me off as a Lord Monckton ass kisser and Denier you might want to look at what is going on globally that is affecting the world before claiming rubbish (pun intended) facts.
IPCC has been know to extend their predictions based on their modelling. The graph I supplied EVIDENCED what they predicted and what ACTUALLY occurred in real time. Meh ... another fraudulent claim I suspect. TS
Nothing can compete with renewable energy, says top climate scientist
Prof John Schellnhuber says that if countries implement their pledges made for Paris climate summit it will give huge boost to wind, tidal and solar power
Tuesday 10 November 2015 00.06 AEDT
Last modified on Tuesday 10 November 2015 02.26 AEDT
Catastrophic global warming can be avoided with a deal at a crunch UN climate change summit in Paris this December because “ultimately nothing can compete with renewables”, according to one of the world’s most influential climate scientists.
Most countries have already made voluntary pledges to roll out clean energy and cut carbon emissions, and Prof John Schellnhuber said the best hope of making nations keep their promises was moral pressure.
Schellnhuber is a key member of the German delegation attending the Paris summit and has advised Angela Merkel and Pope Francis on climate change.
E=Mc2 is part of societal law ERGO Newton's Law (Theorised in 1905) . This also is up for debate ...
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E=Mc2 is part of societal law ERGO Newton's Law (Theorised in 1905) . This also is up for debate ...
Can you expand on this?
TS did you mean that the IPCC had made a fraudulent claim regrading projections or that another party was making a fraudulent claim against the IPCC. ie accusing them of something they wern't actually doing ?
The forest fires blanketing Malaysia, Singapore and large parts of Indonesia in choking haze are on track to become among the worst on record, NASA warns.
Scientists predict the current outbreak could surpass 1997 levels when out-of-control forest fires sent pollution soaring to record highs in an environmental disaster that cost an estimated $US9 billion
India is not proposing to reduce its carbon dioxide emissions, but instead to reduce the intensity of its carbon dioxide emissions by 33 percent to 35 percent from 2005 levels by 2030. India also says that it will produce 40 percent of its electricity from non-fossil-fuel sources (nuclear, hydropower, wind, and solar power) by 2030[2] if it receives assistance from Western countries.[3] This reduction means that its carbon dioxide emissions would still triple by 2030. According to the BP Statistical Review, India emits the third most carbon dioxide emissions in the world—after China and the United States.
We’ve got to preserve this beautiful planet of ours for our kids and grandkids. And that means taking serious steps to address climate change once and for all. Now, we've made a lot of progress to cut carbon pollution here at home, and we're leading the world to take action as well. But we’ve got to do more. In a few weeks, I’m heading to Paris to meet with world leaders about a global agreement to meet this challenge.
EIA estimates that emissions of CO2 grew by 1.0% in 2014. Emissions are projected to fall by 0.7% in 2015 and then increase by 0.2% in 2016. These forecasts are sensitive to assumptions about weather and economic growth.
Nuclear provides nearly 20 percent of the electricity in the U.S., but the average plant is about 34 years old, and prospects for the future of many of these plants are murky, at best. While five new reactors are currently under construction in the U.S., the World Nuclear Association estimates that more than 10 older ones are currently at risk of closure.
I'm sure the air is fresh where you live, not so fresh for the other Aussies whose house line the freeways and main streets man. And forget about the India or China of the world.
Who knows, maybe with the cash and clearer lungs and savings from medical conditions from smog... we could then also afford to clean up the ocean and provide enough margin in case Indonesia burns again.
Singapore has slammed statements from Indonesian officials who made light of the South-East Asian haze crisis as "shocking" as the air pollution index soared to hazardous levels.
The city state closed all schools and distributed protective face masks in emergency measures on Friday.
Singapore, as well as neighbouring Malaysia, has been cloaked in smoke blown-in from tinder-dry Sumatra island for about three weeks ”” the worst such episode since mid-2013 in a crisis that grips the region annually during the burning-off season.
You do realise that India, China and the USA are the 3 largest polluters globally right? And you want me to forget about them because a family lives near a freeway?
Errrmmmm the smog from the Indonesian fires has shut down parts of Singapore !!!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...nesia-as-hazardous-haze-shuts-schools/6805322
Health risks?? Ya gotta be kidding me right??
This reduction means that its carbon dioxide emissions would still triple by 2030.
This tax, if applied only in Australia or in conjunction with other OECD countries, would mean the end of the steel and aluminium smelting industries in Australia by 2005, they said. Even a global tax of this order would see the end of the aluminium industry in Australia by 2005 and the steel industry some years later, unless every country applied the same level of tax ('Reducing carbon dioxide: All options would have profound effects' 1992).
A carbon or fuel tax would eventually cost householders more in direct costs of fuels such as petrol, and indirectly in the prices they pay for goods which require the use of fuel in their production and transport. The impact of these rising prices would vary regionally and within any one city. For example, states that use hydro-electric power to generate electricity (for example, Tasmania) rather than coal would be less affected by carbon taxes. Low-income families tend to spend a higher proportion of their total incomes on petrol. Consequently, those who need to use a motor vehicle to get to work, to take children to school and to go shopping will be worse off than more affluent families or those who live in areas that are well serviced by public transport.
People in rural areas and on the outskirts of cities will be worse off because of the longer distances they have to travel. And rural industries will also be badly hit because of the longer distances and the heavy fuel requirements of agricultural machinery. Similarly, increased energy costs aimed at encouraging people to use less energy by buying more energy-efficient appliances such as fridges, cars and light-globes may impact hardest on those who can least afford to replace such goods.
In the case of Mount Pinatubo, the result was a measurable cooling of the Earth’s surface for a period of almost two years. Consequently, over the next 15 months, scientists measured a drop in the average global temperature of about 1 degree F (0.6 degrees C).
TS. A few observations
1) Your statement about the IPCCs predictions re climate temperatures is a distinction without a difference. The science and the evidence is telling us we are cooking our planet and us with it. The rate at which we are doing it is "not quite exactly predictable".. But it's bloody frightening and deadly serious.
Meanwhile your trying to trash them for not being exactly right according to the dodged up figures of a bunch of lying charlatans. Would you like to see just how accurate the predictions of the various contrarian scientists has been with regard to their predictions of the future temperatures ? It's so far off it doesn't matter.
2) India and it's efforts to go renewable - but still increasing it's Co2 emissions. India is still a HUGELY underpowered society. It doesn't have a fraction of the energy infrastructure we take for granted as our sovereign right.
India and the rest of the developing world is owed the opportunity of having access to clean energy When the world is talking about reductions in CO2 emissions part of the equation in negotiations is acknowledging that developing countries need to increase their energy supply just to meet the realistic needs of their people. On that basis cuts in energy use will fall more heavily on developed countries that have a capacity to be more efficient and a further capacity to retire fossil fuel energy sources and replace them with renewables.
The conversation with India is trying to support as much new renewable energy as possible and discourage as much fossil fuel energy as possible.
3) The effects of a carbon tax Wow !! you take a 20 year old reference and excise a a few paragraphs from it (most from Industry sources) and want to use that to damn a Carbon Tax as an economic tool?
That is so thin if you turned the argument sideways you couldn't see it TS.
Some form of price on carbon is the simplest, most effective free market way to reduce fossil fuel use and encourage the production of clean energy. It is the language of the market. This now costs more. Use less. This is now more competitive. Let's go to it.
Clearly if a carbon tax is bought in governments need to try and have protections of some sort for people for poorer people who may be hurt. That was the point of the Labour Governments actions.
But the result on carbon use is immediate and effective. It works.
4) The Mt Pinatarbo volcano and it's effect on the world's temperature.
Yep. A direct world wide effect on climate and causing temperatures to drop by .6C for a year.
And guess what TS. There was even bigger drop in temperature when Mt Tambora blew up in Indonesia in 1815 and sent a dust cloud around the world that depressed temperatures for 3 years. 1816 was called the year without a summer as crops failed everywhere.
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/car/Newsletter/htm_format_articles/climate_corner/yearwithoutsummer_lf.htm
And your point is exactly... what ?
Volcanoes are a source of dust and sulphates which in extreme circumstances will have a significant effect on the climate. for a short time. So obviously when the dust settles and the SO2 is washed out of the atmosphere the climate returns to normal.
In our current case "normal" is humanity pumping an extra 30 gigatons of CO2 into the atmosphere which largely accumulates and holds more and more energy increasing the world heat load to levels not seen for hundreds of thousands of years.
You can point to a volcano as short term contributor to the climate in both heating and cooling effects but in the current situation it is only a bit player . (Of course that hasn't always been the case.)
Yep. A direct world wide effect on climate and causing temperatures to drop by .6C for a year.
And guess what TS. There was even bigger drop in temperature when Mt Tambora blew up in Indonesia in 1815 and sent a dust cloud around the world that depressed temperatures for 3 years. 1816 was called the year without a summer as crops failed everywhere.
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/car/Newslett...tsummer_lf.htm
You can point to a volcano as short term contributor to the climate in both heating and cooling effects but in the current situation it is only a bit player . (Of course that hasn't always been the case.)
India and the rest of the developing world is owed the opportunity of having access to clean energy
Greenland glacier sliding rapidly into ocean, raising sea levels: scientists
Date
November 13, 2015 - 1:20PM
As the world prepares for the most important global climate summit yet - in Paris this month - news from Greenland could add urgency to the negotiations.
A glacier in north-east Greenland with enough ice to raise world ocean levels by half a metre has begun to slide more quickly towards the sea, extending ice losses to all corners of the vast remote island, a US study shows.
Landsat-8 image of Greenland's Zachariae Isstrom and Nioghalvfjerdsfjorden glaciers, acquired on August 30, 2014.
Because of warmer water temperatures, the end of the Zachariae Isstrom glacier floated free from a ridge of bedrock below sea level on which it had rested until 2012, the study, which was reported in the journal Science on Thursday, said.
Without that natural brake, the glacier in the cold north was now sliding more quickly and more icebergs were snapping off, adding a net five billion tonnes of ice a year to the oceans, according to the study based on satellite and aerial surveys.
"Similar changes - even larger - are under way in the south," Jeremie Mouginot of the University of California-Irvine and his colleagues said.
The graphic that shows why 2015 global temperatures are off the charts
Date
October 22, 2015
NASA has released animation based on satellite data showing this year's El Nino is likely to be just as devastating as the strongest on record.
If there is one chart that might finally put to rest debate of a pause or "hiatus" in global warming, this chart created by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has just supplied it.
For years, climate change sceptics relied on a spike in global temperatures that occurred during the monster 1997-98 El Nino to say the world had stopped warming because later years struggled to set a higher mark even as greenhouse gas emissions continued to rise.
The intensifying El Nino has helped drive global temperatures to yet another record monthly high.
Never mind that US government scientists found the hiatus was an illusion because the oceans had absorbed most of the extra heat that satellites could tell the Earth was trapping.
Nor that 2005, 2010 and 2014 all set subsequent records for annual heat.Those record years were too incrementally warmer compared with the 1997 mark to satisfy those who wanted to believe climate change was a hoax.
But it is 2015, which is packing an El Nino that is on track to match the record 1997-98, that looks set to blow away previous years of abnormal warmth.
"This one could end the hiatus," said Wenju Cai, a principal research scientist specialising in El Nino modelling at the CSIRO.
"Whether it beats [the 1997-98 El Nino] will be academic - it's already very big."
NOAA data released overnight backs up how exceptional this year is in terms of warming, with September alone a full quarter of a degree above the corresponding month in 1997.
As the chart above shows, for the first nine months, 2015 has easily been the hottest year on record, with sunlight second.
Monster El Nino
Australia's Bureau of Meteorology said this month that the El Nino was now on course to challenge the 1997-98 event as the strongest on record, and was not expected to peak until late this year.
This would suggest that, short of a major disruptive event such as a huge volcanic eruption, 2015 will easily eclipse heat records in previous years.
The projection looks likely to be affirmed further before the global climate talks in Paris, which are scheduled to begin on November 30.
Almost 200 nations will be negotiating on a new treaty to stem the emissions of greenhouse gases that are driving temperatures higher and disrupting climate patterns around which humans have built their civilisation.
Mostly anomalous in past 1629 months
September was not only the seventh month so far this year to set a new record for heat, it was also the most anomalously hot month in 135 years of data, NOAA said.
"This marks the fifth consecutive month a monthly high temperature record has been set and is the highest departure from average for any month among all 1629 months in the record that began in January 1880," NOAA said in a statement.
Average sea- and land-surface temperatures last month were 0.9 degrees above the 20th-century average, pipping the previous hottest September - set only a year ago - by 0.12 degrees.
The abnormal warmth was particularly notable in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific, where the El Nino weather event continues to intensify.
For the first nine months of 2015, average surface temperatures are running at 0.85 degrees above the 20th-century average, exceeding the previous equal warm stints in 2010 and 2014 by 0.12 degrees, NOAA said.
During El Nino years, the Pacific Ocean tends to absorb less heat or release some back to the atmosphere as a result of changing easterly wind patterns. One consequence of those reversed or stalled winds is that the western Pacific tends to be drier and hotter, while nations on the eastern Pacific fringe usually receive above-average rain.
Australia was not exceptionally warm last month, with mean temperatures 0.2 degrees above the 1961-90 average. However, it was the third driest September in records going back to 1910 with little more than one-third of the average rainfall nationwide, the bureau said in its monthly report.
October got off to a record hot start for southern Australia, with many records falling for early-season heat, lifting concerns about an active fire season ahead.
Temperatures topped up
El Ninos typically add 0.1-0.2 degrees to the background global warming. US climate expert John Abraham has estimated how year-to-date temperatures are adding another step-up to temperatures, as seen in this chart published by Think Progress.
Climate change sceptics will probably not concede in their battle to avoid action to curb emissions.
Satellite or meteorological data must have been manipulated, the oceans might be producing chemical compounds never detected before that counter carbon dioxide, or perhaps the sun is about to burn a lot less brightly.
Still, they now have one more inconvenient chart they have to find a reason to ignore.
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