Resisting Climate Hysteria

macca · 2 September 2015

Seems to me that if we have a record walrus haul out then we must have a record number of walrus swimming around.....................

This sort of thing happens often, David Attenborough showed it years ago on one of his series.

If he was to show it today he would have to toe the BBC greenie line and say shock, horror, gasp but it is in fact part of their life cycle.

More info for those who care to read http://polarbearscience.com/2014/10...-deaths-are-not-new-not-due-to-low-ice-cover/

basilio · 2 September 2015

It is always interesting/predictable to read Wayne et al responses to articles that explore the immediate and continuing impact of climate change. Pick out one point, find some denialist who can challenge the absolute edges of the statement and then dismiss the remainder of the story.

The article I quoted is long, detailed and complex. It highlights serious problems caused by climate change in the here and now. But if one is steadfast in their determination not to see what is happening - just change the conversation.

The main points of the "Point of No Return " Rolling Stone story.

- Thousands of people killed in record breaking heat waves in the Indian sub continent

- Brushfires turning into firestorms in a matter of hours in drought stricken California

- A new paper co-written by 16 climate scientists that identifies a new feedback mechanism off the coast of Antarctica which suggests sea levels could rise 10 times faster than currently predicted

- Some parts of the ocean near areas of exceptional ice melt are actually cooling. This is changing ocean currents and creating new weather patterns around Greenland

- Salmon on the West Coast of The Pacific Northwest are in danger of extinction. The rivers are running extremely low. the waters are too warm.

- There is a very large drop in the amount of plankton being produced in the oceans as a result of acidification. There goes the food chain.

The journalist interviewed around 25 scientists in putting together this story. As he put it

Of the two dozen or so scientists I interviewed for this piece, virtually all drifted into apocalyptic language at some point.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...mares-are-already-here-20150805#ixzz3kYYORhsn
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

- There is a very large drop in the amount of plankton being produced in the oceans as a result of acidification. There goes the food chain.

basilio · 2 September 2015

And while we are on the topic of the effects of Climate Change check out another Rolling Stone story.

The Pentagon & Climate Change: How Deniers Put National Security at Risk
The leaders of our armed forces know what's coming next – but deniers in Congress are ignoring the warnings

Naval Station at Norfolk

...But within the lifetime of a child growing up here, all this could vanish into the Atlantic Ocean. The land that the base is built upon is literally sinking, meaning sea levels are rising in Norfolk roughly twice as fast as the global average. There is no high ground, nowhere to retreat. It feels like a swamp that has been dredged and paved over ”” and that's pretty much what it is. All it takes is a rainstorm and a big tide and the Atlantic invades the base ”” roads are submerged, entry gates impassable. A nor'easter had moved through the area the day before my visit. On Craney Island, the base's main refueling depot, military vehicles were up to their axles in seawater. Water pooled in a long, flat grassy area near Admiral's Row, where naval commanders live in magnificent houses built for the 1907 Jamestown Exposition. "It's the biggest Navy base in the world, and it's going to have to be relocated," says former Vice President Al Gore. "It's just a question of when."

There are 29 other military bases, shipyards and installations in the area, and many of them are in just as much trouble. At nearby Langley Air Force base, home to two fighter wings and headquarters for the Air Combat Command, base commanders keep 30,000 sandbags ready to stack around buildings when a big storm comes in. At Dam Neck, another Navy base, they pile old Christmas trees on the beach to keep it from eroding. At NASA Wallops Flight Facility, NASA armored the shoreline with 3 million cubic yards of sand to protect its launchpads from sea surges. "Military readiness is already being impacted by sea-level rise," says Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, who mentions that with all the flooding, it's becoming difficult to sell a house in some parts of Norfolk. If the melting of Greenland and West Antarctica continues to accelerate at current rates, scientists say Norfolk could see more than seven feet of sea-level rise by 2100. In 25 years, operations at most of these bases are likely to be severely compromised. Within 50 years, most of them could be goners. If the region gets slammed by a big hurricane, the reckoning could come even sooner. "You could move some of the ships to other bases or build new, smaller bases in more protected places," says retired Navy Capt. Joe Bouchard, a former commander of Naval Station Norfolk. "But the costs would be enormous. We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ional-security-at-risk-20150212#ixzz3kYae9c7d
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wayneL · 2 September 2015

Dude, you seem to take the ad hom route anytime your religion is subject to analysis.... despite your whining about the tone of debate.

Mate I haven't got time to counter every point due to a acute shortage of skilled professionals in my field, I'm busy as a one armed taxi driver with crabs, so you'll have to cope with ad hoc (and easily found) examples of advocacy over science.

basilio · 2 September 2015

The President Addresses the GLACIER Conference

I just watched President Obama address the Glacier Conference in Alaska. Totally laid it on the line about the dangers of Climate Change and his committment to make the changes required.

I reckon we will see some big announcements in the next few days.

wayneL · 2 September 2015

Obama is still quoting the thoroughly and embarrassingly discredited Cooke survey, such is his lack of grasp of the science.

Admittedly he has a firm grasp of the politics, but Americans are growing restless over the BS.... Watch this space.

trainspotter · 2 September 2015

trainspotter said:
And now for the truth http://www.prh.noaa.gov/cphc/summaries/

But but but they even admit to errors !! http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/verification/

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!

This can't be right now can it?? Mellow 2014 Hurricane season??

http://www.livescience.com/48943-quiet-2014-hurricane-season-ends.html

But wait for it NASA has the answer ...

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2014/06oct_abyss/

And now for the sledgehammer ... http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/three-category-4-hurricanes-pacific-kilo-ignacio-jimena

So NASA and NOAA have got it wrong? 2014 unusually QUIET hurricane season?? HUH ??

As for the Indian heatwave please read this ...

"These deaths are easily avoidable," M. Sudhir Kumar, a civil assistant surgeon at Dakkili Primary Healthcare Center, told Reuters.

"All they need to do is follow basic precautions like avoiding working in the sun. Not many listen. What can we do? It's a problem of poverty."

Oh yeah they had a worse one in 1998 by the way. Just some facts please.

http://www.weather.com/news/news/india-heat-wave-photos-news

And you might want to read that it is NOT the hottest it has ever been recorded it was the MOST amount of deaths in India. It was the high HUMIDITY and not a record heat wave http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/photos-indias-heat-wave/

Click here for some more FACTS http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3000

RESIST THE HYSTERIA !!!

NOAA's 2015 Central Pacific hurricane season outlook cited El Nino's tendency for reduced wind shear and more storm tracks coming from the eastern Pacific as reasons to expect an active season in the central Pacific Basin.

The Pacific tropical activity can be attributed, in part, to impressively warm ocean water.

El Nino is an anomalous, yet periodic, warming of the central and eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean. For reasons still not well understood, every 2 to 7 years, this patch of ocean warms for a period of 6 to 18 months.

http://www.weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/three-category-4-hurricanes-pacific-kilo-ignacio-jimena

Norfolk Virginia is subsiding ...

Spatial Comparisons – RSLR rates at all ten bay stations for the 1976-2007 period underscore variability in subsidence rates assuming that the present ASL rise is uniform throughout the Chesapeake Bay area. Given the most likely ASLR rate of 1.8 mm/yr for what may be termed late 20th/early 21st century, inferred subsidence rates vary from -4.00 mm/yr at the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, VA, to -1.29 mm/yr at Baltimore, MD (omitting Washington, DC, because of significant serial correlation over 1976-2007). In between these extremes, subsidence rates account for 50-60% of the measured RSLR at water level stations. These findings are in agreement with those of coastal geologists who report evidence of structural faults not only within the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater in the lower bay but in areas further north in the midsection of the bay (R. Berquist, pers. comm.). High RSLR at Lewisetta, VA, is likely due to additional subsidence induced through local faulting.

Future Outlook – Subsidence will clearly remain a problem as it will continue to add to high RSLR rates locally and heighten the risk of flooding from storm tides in the lower Chesapeake Bay as time goes on. Low-lying areas in communities such as Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Hampton and Poquoson are comprised of a patchwork of local areas that are not only vulnerable to storm tides but are experiencing varying rates of subsidence, meaning that some areas within these communities may be facing greater risk than others from global sea level rise going forward. In addition to CORS, other technologies such as airborne LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) will be needed to perform repeated mapping of ground topography to track changes in flood elevation contours with time.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/...k-virginia-60-of-the-rise-is-from-subsidence/

And finally this ...

Like many other cities, Norfolk was built on filled-in marsh. Now that fill is settling and compacting. In addition, the city is in an area where significant natural sinking of land is occurring.

Salmon is another matter ... overfishing they call it.

With this funding and these jobs, states and tribes have undertaken over 11,000 projects, resulting in significant changes in salmon habitat conditions and availability. Since 2000, access to over 1 million acres of spawning and rearing habitat has been restored and protected for salmon, and access to 8,000 miles of previously inaccessible streams has been re-established.

http://www.westcoast.fisheries.noaa...ion/pacific_coastal_salmon_recovery_fund.html

Also Salmon are prone to diseases ..

Jul 27, 2015: Half of the sockeye salmon in the Columbia River are dying… Biologists are calling this die-off unprecedented… (Nick Blevins, fisherman “The fish are not looking in good condition… Some of them will have lesions… The sockeye already have gill diseases“… It could be the end for these endangered species. (Blevins

http://enenews.com/usa-today-millio...tastrophic-worse-anything-theyve-video-photos

Pilchards get it too in the ocean ... back in 1995 no doubt !!

Herpesvirus that caused epizootic mortality in 1995 and 1998 in pilchard, Sardinops sagax neopilchardus (Steindachner), in Australia is now endemic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18234017

Been happening for thousands of years don't ya know

So_Cynical · 2 September 2015

Obama GLACIER speech said:
We know that human activity is changing the climate. That is beyond dispute. Everything else is politics if people are denying the facts of climate change. We can have a legitimate debate about how we are going to address this problem; we cannot deny the science. We also know the devastating consequences if the current trend lines continue. That is not deniable.

Obama GLACIER speech said:
So the time to heed the critics and the cynics and the deniers is past. The time to plead ignorance is surely past. Those who want to ignore the science, they are increasingly alone

And yet some deniers simply will not stop.

https://www.adn.com/article/20150831/full-transcript-obama-speaks-glacier-alaska

noco · 2 September 2015

So_Cynical said:
And yet some deniers simply will not stop.

https://www.adn.com/article/20150831/full-transcript-obama-speaks-glacier-alaska

I think it is the other way around...The alarmists just do not want to give up even though there is plenty of evidence stacked against them.....They will use every trick in the book to prove their argument....It is a plot by the UN to set up World goverment

I, was personally in Alaska in September 2012 and spent some time in Glacier Bay where several Glaciers come down to meet the sea....It is a common occurrence every year for these glaciers to creep with added snow which fell during the winter...The weight at the top pushes down the mountain and chunks of ice as large as buses fall into Glacier Bay....Nothing new here.

The Southern part of Australia had there coldest and longest winter in years

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ather_get_logged_as_some_of_the_hottest_ever/

There is something very odd about the NOAA claim of a very hot July, thanks to global warming:

July was the hottest month on Earth since records began...

Take the NOAA map above. Check Australia, said to have had average or above-average temperatures over much of the continent, apart from the much-warmer-than-average bits around Sydney and parts of Western Australia.

Liberal MP Craig Kelly is curious:

HOW DOES THE COLDEST MONTH IN 20 YEARS BECOME THE HOTTEST MONTH “EVER’’ ?

July in Melbourne was widely reported as the ”Coldest July in 20 years”

It also was reported at the start of August that Sydney had just “notched its longest cold spell in 26 years” and it was also “the coolest July for the city since 2002”

Even our Bureau of Meteorology reported; ”Temperatures were below average across Sydney during July”

However, have close look at the below map produced by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) an Obama Government agency (the same people that assert that July 2015 was the hottest month ever).

NOAA assert that temperatures in Melbourne for July 2015 were “Warmer than Average” and for Sydney they were “Much warmer than average”.

Can anyone explain this ?

Or take Adelaide, which the NOAA map claims had average temperatures.

In fact:

Bureau of Meteorology Senior Forecaster Mark Anolack said ... “July certainly was cooler than average… Generally around Adelaide we have about 15.3 degrees (Celsius) as an average maximum temperature.

“This year, it was a little bit cooler with 14.6 degrees, and that was actually our coldest July since July 1997.”

Brisbane was said by NOAA to be about average. In fact:

Brisbane‘s average monthly maximum in July was 18.1, considerably cooler than the usual 18.9.

NOAA says Perth had a well-above-average temperatures for July. In fact, our Bureau of Meteorology says it was not quite that warm:

Perth was slightly above average with an average maximum of 18.7 as against the usual 18.4

Why is the NOAA map for Australia running so very warm?

UPDATE

Reader Ian notes that NOAA’s map of temperatures for July is very different to the cool one from our own Bureau of Meterology, particularly for south east Australia,Tasmania and the area around Perth:

trainspotter · 2 September 2015

Most consecutive days above 37.8 °C (100 °F): 160 days; Marble Bar, Western Australia from 31 October 1923 to 7 April 1924.[93]

Now that is a heatwave ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records

Obama ? Obama the dirty sell out you mean??

President Barack Obama this week is in Alaska rallying support for measures to combat climate change, such as limits on carbon emissions.

While environmentalists praise the president for curbing greenhouse gases, they pillory him for granting Shell permission to drill in the Chukchi Sea for the first time in 24 years.
The US Geological Survey estimates the Chukchi and Beaufort seas hold 26 billion barrels of recoverable oil.

Oil will continue to be needed as the United States transitions to more renewable energy, Odum said.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...rctic-going-well/story-e6frfkur-1227509743275

noco · 2 September 2015

trainspotter said:
Now that is a heatwave ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records

Obama ? Obama the dirty sell out you mean??

http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...rctic-going-well/story-e6frfkur-1227509743275

Obama also lectured some uni students in Australia a couple of months ago an told them how Australia was destroying the Great Barrier Reef....What a load of bull$hit.

basilio · 2 September 2015

OK TS you can throw some dust on the extremities of some of issues covered in the Rolling Stone article. I was particularly interested in the creative way Anthony Watts tried to deflect the flooding at Norfolk Bay.

Yes it is true Norfolk Bay does experience subsidence. That was acknowledged in the article and simply exacerbates the effects of rising ocean levels. The rest of Watts "analysis" is just a rehash of his insistence that there won't be any rises in sea levels --- just because there won't be.

The heat related deaths in India? Yep there have been worst.
1) Europe, 2003: 71,310
2) Russia, 2010: 55,736
3) Europe, 2006: 3,418
4) India, 1998: 2,541

Did you notice they were all in the past 10 years ? Should that tell us something about the direction of the worlds climate ?

So what is your position on Global Warming TS? You seem determined to dismiss all the information offered. What do you think (if anything ) is happening ?

trainspotter · 2 September 2015

basilio said:
OK TS you can throw some dust on the extremities of some of issues covered in the Rolling Stone article. I was particularly interested in the creative way Anthony Watts tried to deflect the flooding at Norfolk Bay.

Yes it is true Norfolk Bay does experience subsidence. That was acknowledged in the article and simply exacerbates the effects of rising ocean levels. The rest of Watts "analysis" is just a rehash of his insistence that there won't be any rises in sea levels --- just because there won't be.

The heat related deaths in India? Yep there have been worst.
1) Europe, 2003: 71,310
2) Russia, 2010: 55,736
3) Europe, 2006: 3,418
4) India, 1998: 2,541

Did you notice they were all in the past 10 years ? Should that tell us something about the direction of the worlds climate ?

So what is your position on Global Warming TS? You seem determined to dismiss all the information offered. What do you think (if anything ) is happening ?

Anthony Watts article also agreed that sea levels were rising in stating thus "In between these extremes, subsidence rates account for 50-60% of the measured RSLR at water level station" Ipso Facto there must be the other 40 - 50% is sea level rising DEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

The reason for all the deaths in the last 10 years is due to either poverty (India) education (Europe) stable energy supply (Russia) because they don't learn (Europe) poverty again (India) in that order. Do you not think population expansion has something to do with this? More people either in poverty or uneducated who either have to work in the humidity or the fact that they were living in a hot box. Yep it was hot ... I have always said that records are there to be broken. 70,000 dead because it got hot. Boxing Day Tsunami killing 230,000 people in 14 countries.

Obama has signed the deal with Shell Oil allowing gigalitres of crooood to be pumped out of Alaska so that Murica' can get their **** together to go clean and green ... it buys votes man !!

I have agreed with you thrice before, Global Warming is real. Sea levels are rising, subsidence of cities, volcanic ash the whole nine yards, fish and photoplankton are dying and pretty much we are screwed as we spin around this Earth at 460 metres per second. It has happened before. Think of Mount Vesuvius Ad 79 cataclysmic for the residents of Pompeii, Heracleion one of the most important port cities of the Mediterranean 664 to 332 BC sank due to earthquake, Turkey 1999 August 17th 17,127 killed earthquake and mud hut walls collapsing on them whilst they slept, Typhoon Soudelor hits China with deaths, floods and mudslides 10th August 2015 (only 14 dead) !! The death toll rises as wind and rain wreak havoc across the Chinese provinces of Fujian and Zhejiang, with damage bills exceeding $1billion, Haiti earthquake estimated 316,000 killed in 2010 so severe that even Government buildings collapsed, it has been going on for millenia.

Is it because of man produced Co2 ? Yep it certainly is part of the problem. We as a race are polluting this Earth not only by emissions but also with refuse and over population to boot. Feeding the masses will require more than a fishing pole and a bit of bread I can assure you as crops fail due to late or early rain ! Chemicals from overspraying are leeching into our waterways and birds are dying from ingesting plastic microbeads which is a sand-like substance that serves as an abrasive to exfoliate the teeth of food and other particles.

Let's not mix words here ... there is more to bleating like a sheep on one screwy subject because of political and financial will of the oligopolies who control what you read and think Fairfax and Murdoch. A Rolling Stone snippet is the hailer of doom and gloom for our world. Give me a break.

That's my

noco · 2 September 2015

trainspotter said:
Anthony Watts article also agreed that sea levels were rising in stating thus "In between these extremes, subsidence rates account for 50-60% of the measured RSLR at water level station" Ipso Facto there must be the other 40 - 50% is sea level rising DEEERRRRRRRRRRRR

The reason for all the deaths in the last 10 years is due to either poverty (India) education (Europe) stable energy supply (Russia) because they don't learn (Europe) poverty again (India) in that order. Do you not think population expansion has something to do with this? More people either in poverty or uneducated who either have to work in the humidity or the fact that they were living in a hot box. Yep it was hot ... I have always said that records are there to be broken. 70,000 dead because it got hot. Boxing Day Tsunami killing 230,000 people in 14 countries.

Obama has signed the deal with Shell Oil allowing gigalitres of crooood to be pumped out of Alaska so that Murica' can get their **** together to go clean and green ... it buys votes man !!

I have agreed with you thrice before, Global Warming is real. Sea levels are rising, subsidence of cities, volcanic ash the whole nine yards, fish and photoplankton are dying and pretty much we are screwed as we spin around this Earth at 460 metres per second. It has happened before. Think of Mount Vesuvius Ad 79 cataclysmic for the residents of Pompeii, Heracleion one of the most important port cities of the Mediterranean 664 to 332 BC sank due to earthquake, Turkey 1999 August 17th 17,127 killed earthquake and mud hut walls collapsing on them whilst they slept, Typhoon Soudelor hits China with deaths, floods and mudslides 10th August 2015 (only 14 dead) !! The death toll rises as wind and rain wreak havoc across the Chinese provinces of Fujian and Zhejiang, with damage bills exceeding $1billion, Haiti earthquake estimated 316,000 killed in 2010 so severe that even Government buildings collapsed, it has been going on for millenia.

Is it because of man produced Co2 ? Yep it certainly is part of the problem. We as a race are polluting this Earth not only by emissions but also with refuse and over population to boot. Feeding the masses will require more than a fishing pole and a bit of bread I can assure you as crops fail due to late or early rain ! Chemicals from overspraying are leeching into our waterways and birds are dying from ingesting plastic microbeads which is a sand-like substance that serves as an abrasive to exfoliate the teeth of food and other particles.

Let's not mix words here ... there is more to bleating like a sheep on one screwy subject because of political and financial will of the oligopolies who control what you read and think Fairfax and Murdoch. A Rolling Stone snippet is the hailer of doom and gloom for our world. Give me a break.

That's my

fish and photoplankton are dying ??????????????

How does Anthony Watts account for such a large increase in the whale population off the Eastern Australian coast?

trainspotter · 2 September 2015

noco said:
fish and photoplankton are dying ??????????????

How does Anthony Watts account for such a large increase in the whale population off the Eastern Australian coast?

Yeah noco ... photoplankton biomass down 40% since 1950 me old mate. Old news that one.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100728/full/news.2010.379.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/phytoplankton-population/

Interminable Wars vs. The Utopia Options (a good read)

Whale population is due to they are not hunted for blubber to make candles anymore.

The amount of photoplankton is imperative to the food chain and the sneaky little buggers also soak up Co2 and create oxygen by photosynthesis. Sneaky buggers. Cause they have been plentiful and it has not yet created an effect further down the food chain, commonly referred to a tipping point.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...cean-phytoplankton-global-warming-boris-worm/

Sorry that should be phYtoplankton ... apologies

In the oceans, ubiquitous microscopic phototrophs (phytoplankton) account for approximately half the production of organic matter on Earth. Analyses of satellite-derived phytoplankton concentration (available since 1979) have suggested decadal-scale fluctuations linked to climate forcing, but the length of this record is insufficient to resolve longer-term trends. Here we combine available ocean transparency measurements and in situ chlorophyll observations to estimate the time dependence of phytoplankton biomass at local, regional and global scales since 1899. We observe declines in eight out of ten ocean regions, and estimate a global rate of decline of ~1% of the global median per year. Our analyses further reveal interannual to decadal phytoplankton fluctuations superimposed on long-term trends. These fluctuations are strongly correlated with basin-scale climate indices, whereas long-term declining trends are related to increasing sea surface temperatures.

Ijustnewit · 2 September 2015

Here is what actually occurred this Winter in Australia.
Sydney coldest Winter since 2010
Canberra coldest Winter in 15 years
Victoria coldest Winter in 26 years
Brisbane close to normal , however in the South West Qld the heaviest snow ever recorded
Perth warmest in 20 years
Adelaide coldest Winter in 5 years
Tasmania the coldest Winter in 8 years and Hobart the coldest in 50 years.

Now what gets on my goat is that the ABC news 24 spent all of 20 seconds mentioning these above facts.
However they have spent hours and hours of shoving the impending El Nino down our necks at every possible opportunity. The El Nino is yet to impact us but that hasn't stopped the climate alarmist groups coming up with such terms as the "Godzilla" El Nino and the worst El Nino ever in "recorded history". If the ABC run one story today they run five and of course with the usual interview from some Climate Expert Greenie from a University . Telling everyone one we are going to be in extreme drought and the temperatures will be boiling hot.
Look, no doubt we are in for what could be a hellish Summer. But this impending El Nino will be just the opportunity that these Global Warming extremist will use to tell everyone we are going to hell in a hand basket .
It's just a shame they forgot to mention the Winter we just had.

wayneL · 3 September 2015

trainspotter said:
Is it because of man produced Co2 ? Yep it certainly is part of the problem. We as a race are polluting this Earth not only by emissions but also with refuse and over population to boot. Feeding the masses will require more than a fishing pole and a bit of bread I can assure you as crops fail due to late or early rain ! Chemicals from overspraying are leeching into our waterways and birds are dying from ingesting plastic microbeads which is a sand-like substance that serves as an abrasive to exfoliate the teeth of food and other particles.

Let's not mix words here ... there is more to bleating like a sheep on one screwy subject because of political and financial will of the oligopolies who control what you read and think Fairfax and Murdoch. A Rolling Stone snippet is the hailer of doom and gloom for our world. Give me a break.

That's my

Yep. While Nero fiddles, Rome burns. The co2 story is a massive distraction from the other issues you've noted. Many of the environmental effects attributed to climate change by the alarmists are in fact due to other pollution.

Now that I am alarmed about.

noco · 3 September 2015

trainspotter said:
Yeah noco ... photoplankton biomass down 40% since 1950 me old mate. Old news that one.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100728/full/news.2010.379.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/phytoplankton-population/

Interminable Wars vs. The Utopia Options (a good read)

Whale population is due to they are not hunted for blubber to make candles anymore.

The amount of photoplankton is imperative to the food chain and the sneaky little buggers also soak up Co2 and create oxygen by photosynthesis. Sneaky buggers. Cause they have been plentiful and it has not yet created an effect further down the food chain, commonly referred to a tipping point.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...cean-phytoplankton-global-warming-boris-worm/

Sorry that should be phYtoplankton ... apologies

Mate, they stopped whaling at Tangalooma in 1962.

I happened to work on the construction of the whaling station 1950 and the allowed quota for 11 weeks killing was 660 per year...In the last year they were down to 300 and it became unviable......It lasted 11 years and then they sent the KOS 1 and KOS 11 down to Albany in WA where one is still there on display.

Tisme · 3 September 2015

The winters here in Brisbane seem to have cheated us winter sun lovers over the last few years. It used to be the rains stopped on Anzac Day and resumed on Ekka Day with the westerlies. These days it's like a southern winter with pesky rain, wind and and more cold days.

Luckily the average across the state is still a marginally higher climatic enthalpy because of the persistent drought and high temps in the western districts. There are less people out there and they religiously vote National Party anyway so they don't count for much.

Looking forward to the earlier summer, shorter winter, the humidity and destructive storms ... yeah

basilio · 3 September 2015

Thanks for that response TS. It certainly broadens the conversation.

Is it because of man produced Co2 ? Yep it certainly is part of the problem. We as a race are polluting this Earth not only by emissions but also with refuse and over population to boot. Feeding the masses will require more than a fishing pole and a bit of bread I can assure you as crops fail due to late or early rain ! Chemicals from overspraying are leeching into our waterways and birds are dying from ingesting plastic microbeads which is a sand-like substance that serves as an abrasive to exfoliate the teeth of food and other particles.

I have no problem accepting the broader range of issues you bring up. This forum however is allegedly on Climate Change so I wasn't going to divert to those questions.

In my view if I had to look for an overall balanced view of the direction the world is going, the problems it faces and what we have to do to address them then Pope Francis encyclical is the most holistic approach.

He discusses Climate Change as a huge problem but includes the trashing of our planet and the conditions of poverty around the world as inseparable items. They have to be tackled together.

My frustration with this forum is that it seems many other members just deny the evidence around the climate changes that are happening to our world while others suggest they are nothing significant to be worried about. In that vein for example the acidification of the oceans is ignored, the collapse of plankton is questioned and so on. In fact these are just knock on effects of the rapidly increasing CO2 levels and the warming of the seas.

I'm also wary of conflating natural disasters with what are essentially human caused events. Earthquakes, volcanoes are outside our control. We just have to deal with them.

Gross pollution effects as you mentioned and the effects of a rapidly changing climate can be at least partially addressed by changing what we do. For example in the mid eighties we discovered that fluorocarbons were destroying the ozone layer and we put into effect the Montreal protocol to ban fluorocarbons. Thirty years later there is an improvement.

In the 50's and 60's gross air pollution was causing huge smogs in the big Western Cities. Anti pollution laws were brought in (and they wern't supported by business..) and yes the air became cleaner. We can change.

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With regard to Anthony Watts and rising sea levels. My reading of his work was that he just wasn't accepting that there would be any significant increase in sea levels that would represent a danger to low lying areas around the world.

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