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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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So far as the "did the carbon tax work" argument is concerned, here's some data for total fossil fuel consumption (for all uses, not just electricity generation). Source is Australian Government Bureau of Resources and Energy Economics.

Note that all figures are in energy units (petajoules - PJ) and are thus directly comparable between fuels in terms of how much energy was supplied.

Coal.
2008-09 = 2349 PJ (all time peak consumption year)
2009-10 = 2215 PJ (-5.7%)
2010-11 = 2127 PJ (-4.0%)
2011-12 = 2069 PJ (-2.7%)
2012-13 = 1946 PJ (-5.9%)

Oil.
2008-09 = 1981 PJ (no change from previous year)
2009-10 = 2038 PJ (+2.9%)
2010-11 = 2179 PJ (+6.9%)
2011-12 = 2193 PJ (+0.6%)
2012-13 = 2221 PJ (+1.3%)

Gas.
2008-09 = 1274 PJ (up 8.8% on previous year)
2009-10 = 1287 PJ (+1.0%)
2010-11 = 1305 PJ (+1.4%)
2011-12 = 1357 PJ (+4.0%)
2012-13 = 1386 PJ (+2.1%)

Note that 2012-13 was the first year of the carbon tax, figures aren't currently available for 2013-14.

The recent decline in coal is significant, since if you look back to 1960 then the story is basically one of constant growth, coal consumption declining only during times of broader economic difficulty (recession) and during the transition from town gas to natural gas for city gas supplies. Apart from that, coal use increased each and every year until quite recently.

I'll leave others to decide how much of an effect the carbon tax had.

What I will say however is that our growing reliance on oil concerns me - it's rising both in absolute terms and as a % of total energy, up from 34% last decade to 38% today.
 

Looks like an excellent time for Australia to start a strong push for electric vehicles.

(I sat in a Tesla last weekend. VERY impressive... and not just for the price)
 
What a charade by the USA and China......China will continue to increase its C02 until 2030...there is no binding signed deal and China will be able to do what ever it wants......Labor and the Greens are ecstatic that the whole world is doing something about climate change and leaving Tony Abbott behind doing nothing.....Obama has lost control of congress and the senate and has no hope of executing what he says he will do.

The Greens try to claim that China is reducing fossils fuel and going for renewable energy when in actual fact China has now 17 Nuclear power stations with another 37 on the way as well as building more dams for hydro power....So the Greens jump on the band wagon trying to falsely establish that China has gone all out for solar and wind power.

It is all false as has been revealed in the link below......just another con job.

Listen to no real deal video.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt
 
It is certainly not all false noco and the Herald.Sun notoriously selects only that which supports the big business agenda.

The US and.CHINA .are merely getting in some step to appease public concern.

But interestingly your presence on this thread certainly comfirms your inner concern that climate change is now clearly on our agenda.
 
explod said:
It is certainly not all false noco and the Herald.Sun notoriously selects only that which supports the big business agenda.
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Resources likely also have a bit to do with it.

Getting decent data for China isn't that easy. Well, there's data but the accuracy is questionable. Most figures suggest however that China can't keep taking 4 billion tonnes of coal out of the ground, that's half the world's total production, for too much longer before the inevitable happens and production peaks then starts to decline due to resource constraints. At best, they might keep the game going with increased reliance in lower grades of coal, that being sub-bituminous and lignite (brown coal) but the bituminous (black) coal resources do seem somewhat limited relative to current production.

So long as they can mine it cheaply in their own backyard, coal represents a key economic advantage for China. But if they're going to have to import increasing amounts of the stuff, well then they may as well import gas instead and build more hydro and nuclear - and that's exactly the direction they're heading in. Coal use is still rising, but there's a big push for gas, hydro and nuclear as well versus the historic very heavy reliance on coal.

If the generally accepted coal reserve estimates are anywhere near accurate, China is running out of reasons to prefer coal over other energy sources. Indeed they've got a competitive edge in solar and wind, due to their low manufacturing costs, that nobody else can match anyway. That said, the same competitive advantage applies to nuclear and especially hydro too and they'll be ramping up both for sure.

For the record, there's about to be a proper announcement about a new wind project in Tasmania using Chinese technology later this week. It's public knowledge now in a low key manner.
 

Firstly,what do you consider to be false and correct?

Secondly, how do you make out my presence on this thread confirms my inner concern that climate change is on our agenda?...whose agenda?...Certainly not mine.

Climate change is happening all the time...a natural phenomenon...... Global Warming is crap and that is why the alarmist went from Global Warming to Climate Change.
 
drsmith said:
China 80% coal in 2030.

That speaks for itself.
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Try convincing the Green/Labor Party on that one.

Not sure if Christine is still orbiting the moon...she might just come back down to Earth when she realizes what a goat she has made of herself.
 
Always amusing to hear from people who probably struggled with high school science that the scientific consensus on climate change is wrong.
 
One doesn't have to be a so-called climate change denier to recognise that non-renewables will play the primary role in worldwide energy generation for a long time to come.
 
drsmith said:
One doesn't have to be a so-called climate change denier to recognise that non-renewables will play the primary role in worldwide energy generation for a long time to come.
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No doubt but there are still a lot of climate change deniers out there.
 
banco said:
No doubt but there are still a lot of climate change deniers out there.
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The UN recently did a survey of 5 million people through out the world and they were asked 17 questions and the public were asked to place in order the importance from 1 to 17.

Climate change was one of the items which came in at 17...the least important.
 




A Million Voices: The World We WAnT - World We Want 2015
http://www.worldwewant2015.org/bitcache/9158d79561a9de6b34f95568ce8b389989412f16?vid=42...
21 Aug 2013 ... a un-led global survey of people's priorities for a better world. The results of the survey will be shared with international leaders in setting.
 
banco said:
Always amusing to hear from people who probably struggled with high school science that the scientific consensus on climate change is wrong.
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Political science is more the forte of the warmists.
 

Whether the public thinks it is important is a completely different question to whether the scientific consensus is correct.
 

Depends where the people interviewed lived, what their income levels and financial situation was like.

A working poor person probably has far more pressing economic concerns than the long term effects of global warming. Linda Tirado sums it up very nicely

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda...d-decisions-make-perfect-sense_b_4326233.html


That's in one of the richest countries in the world. I'd dare say youth in Greece or Spain where unemployment rates are near 50% probably have far more pressing issues on their minds too with the daily effort to just survive.
 

I cannot believe there are people still talking up Global warming when there has been no global warming for 17 years.....what is it with them?.....Can't they or don't they want to accept the statistics.....they are hell bent on this stupid modelling stuff.

I mean, how many years will have to pass without increase in Global warming will they start to realize that Global warming is a hoax?.....27 years....37 years.....47 years.
 
Come on noco.
Even the biggest skeptic knows that global warming is real, they are just hoping it has slowed down due to natural feedback mechanisms.

From NASA

As of 2014, 2013 tied with 2009 and 2006 for the seventh warmest year since 1880 according to NASA scientists. With the exception of 1998, the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record have all occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the warmest years on record. Earth continues to be hotter than it was several decades ago.

http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/28/
 
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