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I'd really like to see someone credible (a proper research organisation employing real scientists, meteorologists and other relevant people) look into the big picture.So instead of blaming man pollution on Global Warming or as they now call it Climate Change, why not have such a discussion on the Sun and the Earth?
The Southern Ocean is the source of much of the winter rain across southern Australia. However, some aspects of the ocean’s influence on weather patterns are poorly understood, resulting in limited ability to generate accurate long-term forecasts.
Gaining a greater understanding will support development of modelling tools that will result in improved long-term forecasting. This is vital to improving water resource management in many parts of southern Australia, including Tasmania.
Hydro Tasmania will conduct flights during the 2014 cloud seeding season to coincide with the passage of satellites over Tasmania, providing ‘in-situ’ validation of satellite measurements. Key measurements will be taken, including air temperature, wind and liquid water content of the atmosphere.
The research is being led by Monash University with support from scientists at Hydro Tasmania, Snowy Hydro, the Bureau of Meteorology, CSIRO, and the Department of Sustainability and Environment (VIC).
My apology to you Sydboy007 for this post of mine.You didn't follow the link did you.
Your post is nonsense. Beginning to end. It is the climate alarmists who now desperately search for a crutch.
Clive Palmer and PUP are smarter than you.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/e...e-scientists-say/story-e6frflp0-1226915299389Antarctic ice sheet collapse ‘unstoppable’, scientists say
ICE is melting in the western Antarctic at an unstoppable pace, US scientists say, warning that the discovery holds major consequences for global sea level rise in the coming decades.
They say the speedy melting means prior calculations of sea level rise worldwide made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change will have to be adjusted upwards.
“A large sector of the West Antarctic ice sheet has gone into a state of irreversible retreat. It has passed the point of no return,” said Eric Rignot, professor of Earth system science at the University of California Irvine.
He noted that surveys have shown there is no large hill at the back of these glaciers that could hold back the melting ice.
“It will raise sea level by 1.2 metres or four feet,” said Rignot, whose paper appears in the peer-reviewed Geophysical Research Letters journal.
A separate study published in the journal Science on Monday found that Thwaites glacier is melting fast and that its collapse could raise global sea level nearly 61 centimetres.
That study was based largely on computer modelling of the future, in addition to airborne radar measurements of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
Study author Ian Joughin, a glaciologist at the University of Washington, said the process is now expected to take between 200 and 1000 years.
Current projections of sea level rise, agreed upon by international surveys, do not account for the Antarctic ice sheet melting.
Latest research from glaciologists and Earth science researchers say that melting of the Antarctic ice sheet is now unstoppable.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/e...e-scientists-say/story-e6frflp0-1226915299389
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...et-collapse-has-already-begun-scientists-warn
It will be interesting to see how politicians/countries respond to the research. This is not a "tomorrow" catastrophe - but in geological terms a rise of 4 metres in sea level with the collapse of West Antarctic ice sheet would totally redraw the maps of the world.
Now tell me, who do we believe?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...at-record-levels/story-e6frg8y6-1226913708208
The good thing about the report is that it claims the melt is irreversible.
Now they may get down to formulating a global plan and carbon reduction scheme.
It will certainly redraw the USA
The article in the Australian noco, is describing seasonal ice not the deep ice established over millions of years.
The seasonal ice dissipates completly in the summer. It is caused by increased cloud from warming. The odd effects of global warming give amunition to sceptics but unfortunately at our future peril.
Watts' article on basilio's link:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/05/...ark-again-gets-called-out-by-nyt/#more-109037
Thanks for the link Wayne. It was worth reading teh full Press Release from the science body that did the research
To be clear my original quote was from the News Media source. I added The Guardian link because it expanded on the story.
I think this a fundamentally revolutionary piece of research. Ok the Western Antarctic ice shelf won't melt in a 10 years or 50 or 70. The time line starts at 100 years. But there will be ongoing and probably rapidly escalating melt (particularly if temperatures continue to rise on a business as usual basis) and in conjunction with other ice melting sea level rises for this century will most likely be on the high side of a metre
But in the long term it seems to be "gone" with all the implications of a sea level rise of at least 4 metres (this doesn't include any further contribution from the Greenland ice cap)
Implications
1) Completely destroys climate skeptics assertions about relatively small effects of climate change.
2) Puts the world on notice that for all intents and purposes major population centres on coastal fringes will be unlivable in a century or so.
3) Creates fundamental uncertainty about the future extent of sea level rises. So exactly how far up the hill do we build ?
4) Raises the issues of how do we deal with this seemingly certain but long time line catastrophe. ? For example how much more infrastructure development do we put into current cities versus planning and building the cities for tomorrow ?
I would be interested Wayne in hearing the skeptics view of the strength of the Antarctic ice shelf research. In fact I would be even more interested to hear how all other relevant scientists assess the work.
The suggested time span is obviously a guesstimate 200-1000 years. But if temperatures continue to increase as rapidly as they have then you wouldn't want to bet on the long time scale.
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