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For the benefit of those whom don't understand science (many of whom frequent this thread!), a light year is not a measure of speed or velocity, it is a measure of the distance that light can travel in one year!
Slow down mate. We commonly talk about "the speed of light " which is currently the absolute limit for the speed/velocity of any object. (To date the only objects that "might" be able to travel faster than the speed of light are tachyons) Speed of light is 300,000 klms/sec
When Explod was musing about radio laster transportation of grandchildren he was acknowledging the physical limits of breaking the speed of light.
But Cynic. When you you put up posts that try to say we need to produce more CO2 to keep the extra humans and animals happy you are slaughtering a thousand scientific facts without a beat.
Well there you are folks.
OK I'll bite. Cynic could you please offer some references that offer further explanation on "The concept of velocity being limited to the speed of light is a misunderstanding of the scope and limitations of one of Einstein's theories."
And clearly I would never, ever dare to offer you science lessons Cynic.
If you have a good understanding of mathematics (which I sincerely doubt), you'll be able to recognise it for yourself by examining the mathematical formulae that Einstein used to mathematically express his theory!
If you still cannot recognise it, then I suggest that you study the theory more intensely and when you finally arrive at an understanding of said theory, simply ask yourself: "How can this theory be seen to assert a limitiation on velocity?"
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What's this?!! Lost at sea because you cannot find a scientific paper to support you!Hmm.... Actually I don't think I , personally, need to examine the mathematical formula around relativity or do an indepth study of the subject.
That type of deep mathematical/physics research is best left to the boffins who understand the theory as well as it can be understood.
So if I want to find out if there are serious reservations about the theory of relativity and in particular whether the speed of light is sen as absolute I should just look for some papers in the field that have done the maths and come to this conclusion.
Trouble is... I can't find them Cynic. Can you ?
What's this?!! Lost at sea because you cannot find a scientific paper to support you!
I have no more serious reservations about Einstein's theory than I do about Newtonian physics. I get very irritated with the number of people whom without even understanding said theory, erroneously make bold claims citing it as their justification. Anyone that takes the time to understand the underlying mathematics will recognise that the theory wasn't designed to consider velocities above that of light. However, the theory itself, in no way shape or form precludes the possibility of such velocities, it simply hasn't allowed sufficient scope to consider them!
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On the other hand I can find some pretty authoritative sources that insist teh Speed of light is an absolute.
http://www.einstein-online.info/elementary/specialRT/speed_of_light
Anyhow, not a good vibe here anymore;
Given that the following two contradictory paragraphs appear within your "authoritative" source:
"One of the most surprising features of special relativity is that a number of statements and results which we usually think to be absolute turn out to be observer-dependent. In particular, statements about space and time, distances and duration turn out to be relative."
"On the previous pages, relativity reigned supreme. Although we usually think of lengths and times as absolute, they turned out to be observer-dependent. On this page, the shoe is on the other foot. Ordinarily, we think of velocities as relative, but one of them turns out to be absolute: the speed of light."
I think we can reasonably conclude that these people haven't taken sufficient care in their examination of Einstein's theory.
For those whom don't immediately recognise the contradiction, I recommend that you consider the units of measure of velocity when assessing the integrity of the aforementioned statements.
Well then, it's a damned shame that they've made such an idiotic mistake!Cynic that website was the most authoritative reference you could find on the topic. It's established by the Max Planck Institute for Gravitational Physics.
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Well then, it's a damned shame that they've made such an idiotic mistake!
It also happens that you neglected to consider my advice regarding the units of measure for velocity before deciding to side with their opinion.
Don't bother quoting wikipedia at me either as I can already demonstrate that it has contradictory statements between several of its articles on physics.
P.S. If you are willing to take the time to understand the mathematics underlying Einstein's theorem I will be able to explain why it doesn't prove the impossibilty of velocities beyond the speed of light.
Pretty fast anyway.
Have to take care of pebble size on this thread. Bit hard to delineate direction of "the hysteria" too.
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But Cynic. When you you put up posts that try to say we need to produce more CO2 to keep the extra humans and animals happy you are slaughtering a thousand scientific facts without a beat.
I've yet to see any of the "thousand scientific facts" that you claim I am "slaughtering" with my CO2 requirements assertion!...
The logical soundness of my assertions regarding an increased CO2 presence being essential for supporting the respiratory needs of our increasing populace are well supported by long standing scientific understandings which are being taught as scientific facts at high school level.
basilio, it would be most foolish for you or your peers to presume that you can lecture me on scientific facts!
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An hour ago in Tasmania.
Wind generation = zero
Solar generation (house roofs etc) = practically zero as it was sunset.
And it's not raining either.
But we were still supplying all local load and over 500 MW to Victoria as well. 88% of that from hydro using water stored in dams and the other 12% from gas.
The inherent characteristic of renewables is that the energy arrives intermittently. But at least with hydro you can store it for future use whereas that's not the case with wind and current solar production (solar can be stored to a limited extent via solar thermal systems but that's large scale generation not panels on house roofs).
You need quite significant storage to make it all work too. Over the past 14 weeks since storages peaked we've drawn the equivalent of 7.6 weeks' of average hydro + wind production out of storage and the rest from inflows (hydro + wind) over that time.
If we're going to move to renewables as the major power source then we're going to need some form of storage to make it work reliably. Either that or massively over-engineer the whole thing such that even a dull day yields enough from solar etc and just have overnight storage but that would cost a fortune.
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