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Resisting Climate Hysteria


You are ever ready to pounce on an opportunity for your cause Champ. However I note a gradual withdrawal as the content leaks out of the can.

22 degrees here in Victoria today. All time highs according to the news at lunch time. However we have to batten down as a high wind rain storm is about to hit us here at Portarlington. Wife has not had to use the clothes drier for weeks so all good.
 
And while we are on the topic of people with no credibility lets have another look at the poor, persecuted Professor Salby.

Did you know for instance that he was banned from research funds in America for 3 years because of deceptive conduct in his research work? In essence he misappropriated around $300,000 and lied through his teeth about the research.

Unfortunately for Macquarie Uni they just didn't check him carefully enough before offering him a position.

http://desmogblog.com/2013/07/12/mu...niversity--banned-national-science-foundation

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I would like to have added a few more paragraphs about the conduct of Professor Salby but, as usual, the website was offline when I pressed send.

Just always seems to happen when I outlining some juicy exposure of a climate denialist fraudster.
 
feed your raging confirmation bias. Answers are there for the open minded

Look mate as hard as it is for you to believe this; I appreciate the back ally's you've taken me down, too look at things from as many different perspectives as deemed worthy, But it is not for you I post here. Through History the gullible have have lined the pockets of snake oil sales men, I don't see you, as in that bucket. The quacks you proffer though, are protagonists for an elite who know no limits to their greed, nor do they give one iota for the broader project of humanity. A transition will be made through time to a carbon neutral dynamic to the benefit of all and not just human beings, accept those who disproportionally benefit through saturation. The real question is how much damage will be done before that point is reached. To expose here to ridicule the twaddle no matter arcanely scripted that is presented by those who are either deluded, lickspittles, or payed mouth pieces to the misanthropic elite mentioned above is my small effort to help a broader audience.

As to your hours online 'blathering', check your post rate to mine 'cooky boy'. Maybe One of us needs to get a life.
 
I was reflecting Waynes insistence that one should look outside the usual suspects to obtain a more balanced understanding of cliamte science.

So I did. I decided to have a look some of the work of the real Climate scientists who had published the 24 peer reviewed scientific papers that had rejected global warming as a real concern.

Professor Patrick Michaels wrote 4 such papers. He is one of the more outspoken scientists attacking the general consensus on the issue. He is quoted extensively by Fox News Wasington Post and CNN.

Trouble is when you look at his history of predictions re climate change he is just so, so wrong. Where its betting on cooling trends, Ice Ages, Green technology, Temperatures in the hemispheres, the Urban heat island effect, Satellites and so on.

This is the other side of the story.


 
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As to your hours online 'blathering', check your post rate to mine 'cooky boy'. Maybe One of us needs to get a life.

Orr. Check my join date. Then, if you'd done your research (which you obviously need to brush up on), know I've traded for a living exclusively for nearly ten years. Initially due to injury,but for a long time because I enjoy it. It would seem to follow that I would have a lot of posts on a STOCK forum.

I'm an active guy though. I like making sh*t, playing with horses and chatting with hot women... even not so hot women with beautiful personalities (you don't have to be beautiful to be beautiful). I still trade, but I've resumed my previous business which permits all those things.

So between my business, sport, trading and spending time with my gorgeous wife, who by some miracle is still with me after 31 years together, life is full and enjoyable. This crowds out my minor hobby of verbal sword play with obnoxious clowns on the interwebs.

So, as you were saying?
 

Some more information emerging about Salby.


Past history but it won't help his situation.
 
This is what the lunatic left greenies have saddled us with...AND FOR WHAT???


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
 
Ahh Andrew Bolt, Calliope and Peabody Mines - a collective trio of willful ignorance, unfortunate ignorance and blind self interest.

All this story says is that the price of coal has fallen making the mines unprofitable to Peabody. End of story.
 
Those lunatic greenies again! Why did we listen to them when they were lobbying for excessive overdesign and gold-plating of our grid infrastructure. Bastards!
 
So its the greenies fault that gold plating occurred!
Who publishes this rubbish?
It has been caused by failed privatisation and regulation. Didn't anyone read the articles?
The regulators have been gamed by the companies.
 
This is what the lunatic left greenies have saddled us with...AND FOR WHAT???



http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

So the Greenies caused a hyraulic fraking revolution in the USA which caused natural gas prices to drop from over 12 USD to below 3 USD per 1M BTU.

This price drop caused natural gas to be a cheaper fuel than coal so there's been a major shift to using natural gas as a fuel for electricity generation in the USA.

This in turn has caused a major reduction in coal demand, so US coal producers have basically flooded the seaborne thermal coal market.

As you know, when supply increases, and demand decreases, prices fall. It's how markets work.

I'd also argue that Peabody probably signed up to stupic work practices with the unions making the mines uneconomic without 100 year high coal prices.

So between a flood of thermal coal from the USA and poor management practices at the mine, how is that in any way related to "greenies"
 
Sdyboy you really wouldn't want to to us "facts" or "logic" in this conversation. They left years ago.

Andrew Bolt serves up any old tripe that suits his interest in bashing environmental/climate change discussions. And others just parrot him.

And naturally of course if you were looking for a coal company determined to trash the science behind Climate Change you couldn't go past Peabody.


Of course a really basic fact about coal fired power stations is damage done by airborne particles, destruction of environment through rapcious mountain levelling coal mining and so on - apart from the CO2 emissions.

But as I said this is a fact free zone.

http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059983899
 
Sdyboy you really wouldn't want to to us "facts" or "logic" in this conversation. They left years ago.

I hear ya. I just can't let something so blatantly incorrect stand.

If we don't challenge it and show it to be the false propaganda it is, then it unfortunately becomes accepted as fact which does no one any good.

My hope is if people see certain people are factually wrong with their claims most of the time, they'll start to ignore what they say.
 

What, you mean a bit like your statement that the poor soil up North was the reason we couldn't grow crops.lol

Mate you are so full of it, mini me Rudd, that's what you would be.
 
What, you mean a bit like your statement that the poor soil up North was the reason we couldn't grow crops.lol

Mate you are so full of it, mini me Rudd, that's what you would be.

This is the guy who said I was rude to call him a Greenie.
 

Like Hansen, Mann, Romm, Gleik et al?
 
What, you mean a bit like your statement that the poor soil up North was the reason we couldn't grow crops.lol

Mate you are so full of it, mini me Rudd, that's what you would be.

So we have X milions of hectares up north that Tony wants to develop

How does one go about narrowing down where to focus their efforts

Oh um, lets see:

How much water can we reliably use without degrading the environment would be a good start.

Then in those areas we have water we can focus on the soil quality. If you'd ready any of the reports I provided links to you, you would see they all mention POOR soil quality as a major issue.

My main argument is so far Abbotts hasn't show he's interested in a scientific analysis of what can be done up north, and most of the reports I've read, indicate that firstly water will be the main issue, after which poor soil quality will be another major inhibiting factor.

Throw in pests and wild life feeding on a lot of the crops that have previously trialled up north, and I don't see it likely we can double food production by going north. Abbott hasn't mention if he will allow GM crops, which is the only way I can see us overcoming water, poor soil, pests as an issue. Once you move in land, the issues of transportation costs become relevant issue as well.
 

The problem with 'reports' is that they are usually written by someone who has never worked the land. I have an uncountable number of state govt dept reports, federal dept reports here that I wouldn't wipe my backside with.

Sand is an exceptionally poor quality soil, probably the worst, but you can still grow all kinds of vegetables and even fruit in it.

You obviously have no idea, and no practical experience growing food commercially.

You read it on the internet, therefore it must be true.

Stop embarrassing yourself by quoting reports as fact.
 
All this story says is that the price of coal has fallen making the mines unprofitable to Peabody. End of story.
Peabody CEO says 'policies such as the carbon tax and renewable energy target had hurt the sector and called for whoever (sic) won the federal election to repeal the carbon tax and streamline the project permitting system'.
It's wrong to suggest the only problem is the lower price of coal.

So its the greenies fault that gold plating occurred!
Who publishes this rubbish?
It has been caused by failed privatisation and regulation. Didn't anyone read the articles?
The regulators have been gamed by the companies.
I don't know about the rest of Australia, but regional Qld electricity suppliers are all owned by the government, so no way of blaming privatisation here.

There seems to be rather a lot of attributing cause and effect in accordance with the philosophy of the person attempting to make the argument.
 
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