Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Garpal Gumnut]

SEE BELOW FOR IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

We have had some very good rain here in Townsville over Christmas and New Year. Everyone is more optimistic. The birds are chirping even louder. The stingers are out from the creeks in the ocean feeding. The cattle are munching the grass.

All this talk of climate change is not borne out by my observations. There has been no significant change in climate in NQ in my lifetime.

The hysteria is generated by people with an interest in making a quid out of it such as Gore, Rudd and Wong.

I just wish I'd thought of it first. A quid is a quid imho. Good on them. Just don't expect me to toss any kopecks in their direction.

Fools and their money/time are easily parted.

Now I suspect that we are going to be hit by an asteroid and I am starting off a company called Blue Sky ReDirect NL. The asteroid will land at Nimbin in 2017, August 8th actually.

Anyone on ASF wishing to get in at sea level please send via bpay $1000 for foundation membership.

Al Gore is a foundation member, he told me last night if it goes as far as his last scam I'll be a billionaire by mid February.

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

Just to illustrate the significance of the Victorian (ie not including SA) brown coal industry, here's some current (as at 12:40pm today) figures.

Generated output - 6397 MW

That is 28.2% of present electricity consumption across the whole of Queensland, NSW, ACT, Vic, Tas and SA.

Qld, NSW, ACT, Tas and SA are presently all obtaining some power from Victoria, figures as follows. (In Qld's case it is physically power from NSW. ie Vic feeds into NSW and NSW then feeds into Qld).

Figures as follows.

Used within Vic - 4931 MW
Vic export to NSW - 788 MW | NSW export to Qld - 160 MW
Vic export to Tas - 466 MW
Vic export to SA - 182 MW

Figures do not add due to transmission losses and rounding.

Anyone who thinks brown coal is purely a Victorian issue is very, very wrong.

 

[dbcok]

2009 was South Australias hottest year on record.This took into account all weather recording stations in the state.
In Adelaide it was the second hottest on record ,but with other rural weather stations considered it was the hottest year recorded for the state.

 

[ghotib]

gg, noco, I would like to ask you both one question:

What does the term "global average temperature" mean?

Thanks.

Ghoti

 

[wayneL]

gg, noco, I would like to ask you both one question:

What does the term "adjusted global average temperature" mean?

Thanks.

Ghoti

Corrected for pertinence.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

gg, noco, I would like to ask you both one question:

What does the term "global average temperature" mean?

Thanks.

Ghoti

Ok I'll have a go.

Global pertains to round, from the latin globus, a shpere, a ball.
Average comes from vera I believe , the truth or close to real.
Temperature comes from latin again, it means a true measure of originally , now means how ott or cold summat is.

So I guess it means an educated guess at how hot or cold a ball is or balls are.

Although all these measurements actually change that which is measured a mate of mine who is a physicist tells me.

gg

gg

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

wayneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

don't change while I am in mid reply.

let me correct that, just stay as you are.

gg

adjusted means that we are not on hotcopper, we are well adjusted

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I believe you may be referring to this.

From the UK Met Office

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8406839.stm

"The latest forecast from our climate scientists shows the global temperature is forecast to be almost 0.6C above the 1961-90 long-term average," a Met Office statement said.

"This means that it is more likely than not 2010 will be the warmest in the instrumental record that dates back to 1860."

However it added: "A record warm year in 2010 is not a certainty, especially if the current El Niño was to unexpectedly decline rapidly near the start of 2010, or if there was a large volcanic eruption.

"We will review the forecast during 2010 as observation data become available."

The Met Office, in collaboration with the University of East Anglia, maintains one of the three global temperature records that is used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

gg

 

[prozac]

I recall one or two Christmases ago when Victoria was in the grip of bushfires, yes "in the grip" was a very big place to be according to the news, well being in the grip as it were then the day before xmas it started to snow! Now Europe is in the grip of it's coldest weather in a decade or more . . . what's Kevin doin' about that?

 

[Boggo]

Ok I'll have a go.

Global pertains to round, from the latin globus, a shpere, a ball.
gg

Garpal ol chap, don't you be misleading us.
The earth is not round, it is in fact an oblate spheriod, but I know that you knew that

On a serious note, below is the list of tax payer funded freeloaders that were in that little jolly to Copenhagen.
(too many for one page!)

H.E. Mr. Kevin Michael Rudd Prime Minister
H.E. Ms. Penelope Wong Minister, Climate Change and Water Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
H.E. Ms. Louise Helen Hand Ambassador for Climate Change Department of Climate Change
Mr. David Fredericks Deputy Chief of Staff Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Philip Green Oam Senior Policy Adviser, Foreign Affairs Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Andrew Charlton Senior Adviser Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Lachlan Harris Senior Press Secretary Prime Minister’s Office Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Scott Dewar Senior Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Clare Penrose Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Fiona Sugden Media Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Lisa French Office of the Prime Minister Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Jeremy Hilman Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Tarah Barzanji Adviser Office of Prime Minister
Mr. Kate Shaw Executive Secretary Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Gaile Barnes Executive Assistant Office of Prime Minister
Ms. Gordon de Brouwer Deputy Secretary Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Patrick Suckling First Assistant Secretary, International Division Prime Minister and Cabinet
Ms. Rebecca Christie Prime Minister’s Office
Mr. Michael Jones Official Photographer Prime Minister and Cabinet
Mr. Stephan Rudzki
Mr. David Bell Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Ms. Kym Baillie Australian Federal Police
Mr. David Champion Australian Federal Police
Mr. Matt Jebb Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Mr. Craig Kendall Federal Agent Australian Federal Police
Mr. Ian Lane Squadron Leader Staff, Officer VIP Operations
Mr. John Olenich Media Adviser / Adviser to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Ms. Kristina Hickey Adviser to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Mr. Martin Parkinson Secretary Department of Climate Change
Mr. Howard Bamsey Special Envoy for Climate Change Department of Climate Change
Mr. Robert Owen-Jones Assistant Secretary, International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Clare Walsh Assistant Secretary, International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jenny Elizabeth Wilkinson Policy Advisor Department of Climate Change
Ms. Elizabeth Mary Peak Principal Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kristin Tilley Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Mr. Andrew Ure Acting Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Annemarie Watt Director, Land Sector Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kushla Munro Director, International Forest Carbon Section International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Kathleen Annette Rowley Director, Strategic and Technical Analysis Department of Climate Change
Ms. Anitra Cowan Assistant Director, Multilateral Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Ms. Sally Truong Assisting Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jane Wilkinson Assistant Director Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tracey Mackay Assistant Director International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Laura Brown Assistant Director, Multilateral Negotiations International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tracey-Anne Leahey Delegation Manager Department of Climate Change
Ms. Nicola Loffler Senior Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Tamara Curll Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Jessica Allen Legal Support Officer Department of Climate Change
Mr. Sanjiva de Silva Legal Adviser, International Climate Law Department of Climate Change
Ms. Gaia Puleston Political Adviser Department of Climate Change
Ms. Penelope Jane Morton Policy Adviser, Multilateral Negotiations (UNFCCC) International Division Department of Climate Change
Ms. Claire Elizabeth Watt Policy Advisor Department of Climate Change
Ms. Amanda Walker Policy Officer, Multilateral Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Mr. Alan David Lee Policy Adviser, Land Sector Negotiations Department of Climate Change
Ms. Erika Kate Oord Australian Stakeholder Manager Department of Climate Change
Mr. Jahda Kirian Swanborough Communications Manager

 

[Boggo]

and here is the rest of them...

H.E. Mr. Sharyn Minahan Ambassador DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Julia Feeney Director, Climate Change and Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Chester Geoffrey Cunningham Second Secretary DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Germany
Ms. Rachael Virginia Cooper Executive Officer, Climate Change and Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Ms. Rachael Grivas Executive Officer, Environment Branch Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Moya Elyn Collett Desk officer, Climate Change and Environment Section Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Rob Law Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Robin Davies Assistant Director General, Sustainable Development Group Australian Agency for International Development
Ms. Deborah Fulton Director, Policy and Global Environment Australian Agency for International Development
Ms. Katherine Renee Ann Vaughn Policy Advisor, Policy and Global Environment Australian Agency for International Development
Mr. Brian Dawson Policy Adviser Australian Agency for International Development
Mr. Andrew Leigh Clarke Deputy Secretary Department of Resources Development, Western Australia
Mr. Bruce Wilson General Manager, Environment Energy and Environment Division Department of Resources Development, Western Australia
Ms. Jill McCarthy Policy Adviser Department of Resources, Energy and Tourism
Mr. Simon French Policy Adviser Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry
Mr. Ian Michael Ruscoe Policy Adviser Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry
Mr. David Walland Acting Superintendent, National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology
Mr. Damien Dunn Senior Policy Adviser The Australian Treasury
Ms. Helen Hawka Fuhrman Policy Officer, Renewable Energy Policy and Partnerships
Mr. Scott Vivian Davenport Chief Economics NSW Department of Industry and Investment
Mr. Graham Julian Levitt Policy Manager, Climate Change NSW Department of Industry and Investment
Ms. Kate Jennifer Jones Minister, Climate Change and Sustainability Queensland Government
Mr. Michael William Dart Principal Policy Advisor Office of the Hon. Kate Jones MP Queensland Government
Mr. Matthew Anthony Jamie Skoien Senior Director, Office of Climate Change Queensland Government
Mr. Michael David Rann Premier, South Australia Department of Premier and Cabinet, Southern Australia
Ms. Suzanne Kay Harter Adviser Department of Premier and Cabinet, Southern Australia
Mr. Paul David Flanagan Manager, Communications Government of South Australia
Mr. Timothy William O’Loughlin Deputy Chief Executive, Sustainability and Workforce Management Department of Premier and Cabinet South Australian Government
Ms. Nyla Sarwar M.Sc student Linacre College University of Oxford
Mr. Gavin Jennings Minister, Environment and Climate Change and Innovation, Victorian Government
Ms. Sarah Broadbent Sustainability Adviser
Ms. Rebecca Falkingham Senior Adviser Victoria Government/Office of Climate Change
Mr. Simon Camroux Policy Adviser Energy Supply Association of Australia Limited
Mr. Geoff Lake Adviser Australian Local Government Association Sridhar Ayyalaraju Post Visit Controller DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Tegan Brink Deputy Visit Controller and Security Liaison Officer Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Melissa Eu Suan Goh Transport Liaison Officer and Consul DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Lauren Henschke Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Maree Fay Accommodation Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Patricia McKinnon Communications Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Eugene Olim Paasport / Baggage Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Belinda Lee Adams
Ms. Jacqui Ashworth Media Liaison Officer Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Patricia Smith Media Liaison Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Martin Bo Jensen Research and Public Diplomatic Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Mauro Kolobaric Consular Support DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Susan Flanagan Consular Support DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Stephen Kanaridis IT Support Officer DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. George Reid Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Ashley Wright Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Jodie Littlewood Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Thomas Millhouse Support Staff DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Timothy Whittley Support Staff Driver DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Ms. Julia Thomson Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Donald Frater Chief of Staff to Minister Wong Office of the Minister for Climate Change and Water
Ms. Jacqui Smith Media Liaison DFAT Diplomatic Mission of Australia to Denmark
Mr. Greg French Senior Legal Advisor, Environment Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
Mr. Jeremy Hillman Advisor PMO

Mr Brian Samuels To keep the Bastards honest and enjoy the free wining and dining

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I trust they gave out free condoms. I know some of that mob.

gg

 

[wayneL]

I trust they gave out free condoms. I know some of that mob.

gg

Perhaps penicillin would be more appropriate.

 

[Smurf1976]

As I've often noted on these climate change threads, cutting CO2 emissions will come at a HUGE price to the natural environment in other ways.

Now today I hear of the plan to export wood pellets from Tasmania to Europe to replace coal in power stations as a means of reducing CO2 emissions.

Now, it sounds reasonably sensible to use a bit of waste wood rather than coal. But once you realise that we're talking about figures rounded to the nearest million tonnes, you realise that "waste" in this context will mean the same thing it means in the context of logging for woodchips - and that's just about every tree that can be found.

So, we started out with about 1.2 million tonnes a year running 3 integrated pulp / paper mills plus a fourth mill that was pulp only.

Then we started exporting what was at that time genuine waste, that would otherwise be left to rot, as woodchips.

Then we started burning another 600,000 tonnes a year heating houses to save the Franklin. Then we choked on the smoke and started the switch to electric heating that should have happened in the first place.

Then we started winding down the pulp industry because the Greens didn't want a new mill at Wesley Vale, right next door to the existing pulp and paper mill, to replace the aging Wesley Vale and Burnie mills. Port Huon mill closed in 1991, Burnie pulp mill in 1998 and the old mill (the only one) at Wesley Vale plus the paper section of the Burnie mill is about to close in a couple of months. Only the Boyer mill survives - meanwhile we export millions of tonnes of woodchips and Australia spends a fortune on imported paper made from Indonesian rainforests.

Faced with this, the industry ramped up woodchipping to ridiculous levels - 6 million tonnes a year. Years of protests but still it continued.

Then the Greens whinged about importing power from Victoria, the only option left when everything else is opposed and the lights very nearly did go out.

Then we got a plan for a new pulp mill, another attempt at replacing the old. This time it was to be at Bell Bay, a heavy industrial site which already has a port, an aluminium smelter, ferro alloy smelter, power stations, aluminium powder plant, transmission lines everywhere, the Vic - Tas power interconnect infrastructure, a lot of oil tanks, two woodchip mills, a fibreboard factory and is the receiving point for all gas entering the state. It used to have a wheel casting factory as well. But apparently, according to the Greens and their ilk, Bell Bay is the wrong place for heavy industry. Another factory would spoil the "clean" environment in the area they say. And so we've had 5 years of bitter argument about that pulp mill with some very limited construction actually happening but no certainty that it will ever proceed.

And now here's the one to make every dam, mill and logging operation in the state look decidedly eco-friendly in comparison. Yep, we might be exporting wood pellets as fuel to cut CO2 emissions in Europe. No big deal? It is once you realise that they apparently want 17 million tonnes of the stuff every year and are looking to Tassie to supply the wood.

All up, it's a truly sad and sorry saga the whole thing over the past 30 years. A couple more dams and keeping the paper mills running and all would have been not green, but a hell of a lot better than clearfelling the whole state as we now seem set to do.

As a keen bushwalker myself, these Kyoto, Copenhagen, Green or whatever you want to call them vandals can go stick it as far as I'm concerned. This ain't conservation, this is outright wrecking the environment for the sake of an unproven Green agenda.

How about these clowns stop messing about with CO2, stop protesting every single investment proposal in Tasmania that would actually make something here rather than just exporting wood at low prices, and instead start worrying about what's actually happening to the environment?

What about the pulp mill that's near the Murray well upstream of Adelaide's water supply? Isn't that a bigger concern than one in a heavy industrial region by the coast in Tas? Never hear anything said about that one...

What about taking a rational long term approach to CO2 instead of pretending it's so urgent that we've got to clearfell, dam and nuke the planet to cut emissions because it can't wait another 10 - 20 years for geothermal, wind etc?

What about considering just how much wood we're cutting as a direct result of their own past policies? And how many people it's put out of work in the mills as well?

Rant over but NOT happy with the way this nonsense is heading. Maybe I'd better get a tree or two and build a museum to put them in... (Well maybe not, no doubt someone will find an endangered something or other on the site of my museum, the bricks will be the wrong colour, there will be too much glass, the building will be too tall or there will be something else they'll find wrong with it).

There are real problems with the environment and burning wood to generate power isn't going to help. That burning wood wrecked the environment and trees started to run out is in fact why the coal industry emerged in the first place...

 

[wayneL]

Thanks Smurf, an excellent and logical rant.

 

[Julia]

Thanks Smurf, an excellent and logical rant.

Yes, as always from Smurf who combines knowledge with common sense.
Thanks, Smurf.

 

[noco]

gg, noco, I would like to ask you both one question:

What does the term "global average temperature" mean?

Thanks.

Ghoti

You can educate yourself if you go to Google, punch in "global average temperature". I'm sure you will learn all you need to know. Hope this helps!

 

[noirua]

Rudd & Co are committed to the green lobby and to coal and oil at the same time. Therefore it will be coal and oil that will pay for all the green technology going forward, in the form of higher State royalties and new Federal taxes.

 

[wayneL]

A letter sent from Lord Monckton to Dear Leader

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/03/climate-change-proposed-personal-briefing/

Comments please.

 

[Agentm]

You say that our aim, in daring to oppose the transient fashion for apocalypticism, is “to erode just enough of the political will that action becomes impossible”. No. Our aim is simply to ensure that the truth is widely enough understood to prevent the squandering of precious resources on addressing the non-problem of anthropogenic “global warming”. The correct policy response to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing. No interventionist likes to do nothing. Nevertheless, the do-nothing option, scientifically and economically speaking, is the right option.

You say that I and others like me base our thinking on the notion that “the cost of not acting is nothing”. Well, after a decade and a half with no statistically-significant “global warming”, and after three decades in which the mean warming rate has been well below the ever-falling predictions of the UN’s climate panel, that notion has certainly not been disproven in reality.


lol

nice stuff

the food riots that no one wants to discuss, they are an interesting topic also