Resisting Climate Hysteria

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wayneL said:

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Yep, asleep in the armchair.

No sleeping here. My brothers experiment with the car alternator excellent. Half an hour peddling charges the 12 volt batter which will run the fridge for a week.

Age today with a number of letters and articles of concern. One take "Science is telling us that extreme weather events now happen more often" Ian Lowe (cummorn get into him like the bolt of stupidity)

And we know anecdotally that growing numbers of species of trees and animals are becoming extinct due to the weather changes. These are species that have taken billions of years to evolve. To laugh this off as just a usual cycle and has happened recently before (ice age a century or so back) is having the head in the sand. Or napping of course zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Plod.

Let us deal with empirical data, not anecdotes.

explod said:

Age today with a number of letters and articles of concern. One take "Science is telling us that extreme weather events now happen more often" Ian Lowe (cummorn get into him like the bolt of stupidity)

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It is very hard to follow what you are saying, but the gist seems to be that you and your mentor basilio love to gloat about any news predicting dire weather events.

By the way, who is spreading these anecdotes?

Calliope said:

It is very hard to follow what you are saying, but the gist seems to be that you and your mentor basilio love to gloat about any news predicting dire weather events.

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gg

Calliope said:

It is very hard to follow what you are saying, but the gist seems to be that you and your mentor basilio love to gloat about any news predicting dire weather events.

By the way, who is spreading these anecdotes?

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Anecdotal is what one sees and what is being discussed in main-street; "the vibe".

If you grew up on the land, have been a people person, have always been interested in nature the land and the environment you get the vibe. = anecdotal.

Predictions, OMFG, open your eyes, better still wake up and get up off the couch,

oh and see we just woke gg too.

Plod.

Through my trade, I know a multitude of folks 'on the land'. I dont knpw anu who subscrobe toCAGW.

Not one.

On my phoneand cant be bothered to.correcttyppps.

wayneL said:

Plod.

Let us deal with empirical data, not anecdotes.

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The empirical is not conclusive (I accept that) but what has emerged raises concerns IMV. Can we afford to wait till it is bolted down, it will be too late then. We need to employ two bob each way and encourage people to change now.

But of course there are some of us who will be able to live in solar powered air conditioned caves and walk up to the shops at night.

explod said:

The empirical is not conclusive (I accept that) but what has emerged raises concerns IMV. Can we afford to wait till it is bolted down, it will be too late then. We need to employ two bob each way and encourage people to change now.

But of course there are some of us who will be able to live in solar powered air conditioned caves and walk up to the shops at night.

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.........do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. - Max Ehrmann

What other imagined apocalypses must we prepare for?

explod said:

If you grew up on the land, have been a people person, have always been interested in nature the land and the environment you get the vibe. = anecdotal.

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What a load of codswallop.

wayneL said:

.........do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. - Max Ehrmann

What other imagined apocalypses must we prepare for?

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As a nine year old I did not imagine the puddles alive with tadpoles every year in the early fifties when the ground was water logged every winter till late November. (the frogs became extinct on that farm in 1969 was the year My Dad died, that drought effected him, but he also had other issues) At the sale yards in those days listening to the dairy farmers and their stories, they looked forward to the summer when, mud up to their knees in winter, would dry out. The ground is firm underfoot in all the winters there now. Dad's farm had been cleared just before the blocks were allocated to him and his peers back from the second world war. There is no doubt that this clearing of the land is what changed the rainfall there too.

Dad and Grandfather talking about changes to rain and water tables. Grandfather recalling his Grandfather's stories such as the conditions in Ireland and why they had to leave, around 1850 I think. (this is not environmental but just their knowledge and judgement of things which gave me a yard stick anecdotally).

Dad's penchant for the prophecies of Indigo Jones and back in the 60's how her predicted droughts to come at the turn of the century (2000) and his concern that beyond that he saw it as bad.

The concern at the Liberal Premier Henry Bolte in allowing the Haystebury land, next to the Otway ranges to be opened up to farming. Turned into a disaster environmentally. Big lesson to me, you should not cut down the trees.

As a 19 year old shearer in Queensland observing the overstocking and again, ball and chains knocking down the bush and the ensuing five years till in 1969 the sheep had to be transported out and in a lot of those places never to return. West of Winton now mostly desert.

I have lived the land, sought out farmers as they are interesting to talk to and to get the most you have to know and understand them, they will not just open up to everyone as some of the ideas and theories sound stupid and alien to outsiders.

And from those days it has been with me till now. 1970 as shearing on the wain in the good places became a plod but soon stationed in the bush and stayed for seven years among farmers, at times not a lot of other things to do but talk to farmers over the fence whilst out and about.

I could write a book on this stuff. The point is, to sense the vibe of nature and how it is feeling you need to be a part of it. A bit like trying to get comfortable wealthy people understand the poor and downtrodden. Having an insight here helps me understand the divide on these fronts. Its why I like sociology.

None of this is related to global warming directly so is off topic but these anecdotal feelings can make one also sense what pollution, coal burning is doing, because you can see the changes, the bands of orange cloud, from the cars, throughout my career in Melbourne, the much warmer air there than over the mountains away from it.

Just the vibe

explod said:

Anecdotal is what one sees and what is being discussed in main-street; "the vibe".

If you grew up on the land, have been a people person, have always been interested in nature the land and the environment you get the vibe. = anecdotal.

Predictions, OMFG, open your eyes, better still wake up and get up off the couch,

oh and see we just woke gg too.

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wayneL said:

Plod.

Through my trade, I know a multitude of folks 'on the land'. I dont knpw anu who subscrobe toCAGW.

Not one.

On my phoneand cant be bothered to.correcttyppps.

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wayneL said:

.........do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. - Max Ehrmann

What other imagined apocalypses must we prepare for?

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Calliope said:

What a load of codswallop.

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I'm awake, tired out by religious nuts who have abandoned religion in droves for the new belief in an apocalypse.

Bloody Global bloody Warming.

I have for the first time understood how Galileo felt when he went with the popish doctrine.

Just plain tired with the lunatics about him.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

+1

for the new belief in an apocalypse.


gg

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Science and first hand observation a far from belief.

Do agree that the latter is for the religious nuts.

Well Plod thanks you've just highlighted one of my greater points, viz: There are many environmental issues that deserve attention, mitigation and/or solutions. While the CAGW ruse is in existence, it detracts from thes eother REAL issues.

The psychological outcome is that otherwise concerned folk become anti-green (small g green, not the Watermelons whom folk SHOULD be agin), the integrity of the scientific community so damaged that even good science is not trusted.

Just the vibe Mr Plod.

Garpal Gumnut said:

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I'm awake, tired out by religious nuts who have abandoned religion in droves for the new belief in an apocalypse.

Bloody Global bloody Warming.

I have for the first time understood how Galileo felt when he went with the popish doctrine.

Just plain tired with the lunatics about him.

gg

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I am certain than many others share your sentiments in this regard, please keep up the good fight!

wayneL said:

Well Plod thanks you've just highlighted one of my greater points, viz: There are many environmental issues that deserve attention, mitigation and/or solutions. While the CAGW ruse is in existence, it detracts from thes eother REAL issues.

The psychological outcome is that otherwise concerned folk become anti-green (small g green, not the Watermelons whom folk SHOULD be agin), the integrity of the scientific community so damaged that even good science is not trusted.

Just the vibe Mr Plod.

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Garpal Gumnut said:

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I have for the first time understood how Galileo felt when he went with the popish doctrine.


gg

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Now you are quoting me. Yawn.
You should get me locked up for quoting scientific results.

explod said:

The concern at the Liberal Premier Henry Bolte in allowing the Haystebury land, next to the Otway ranges to be opened up to farming. Turned into a disaster environmentally. Big lesson to me, you should not cut down the trees.

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Reminds me of a book by Jared Diamond "Collapse - How Societies choose to Fail or Survive"

Only have to look at the Anasazi Indians and how they turned the pretty fertile Chaco Canyon into a desert. No trees, no precipitation.

Easter Island used to support the tallest known palm trees, while other trees reached 100 feet. These days you'd be lucky to find something that grows over 7. The author asks the question " What did they think as they cut down the last tree"

Look at the early Greenlanders who thought they had discovered a land of boundless opportunities. Within a few years of clearing they discovered how fragile the land really was. They were probably the first society that actually limited its population by choice so as to live within the sustainable capacity of the land.

The stories he gets from some farmers in Montana are well worth a read too. He does some modern takes on Australia and China and the picture aint pretty.

Further to the National Climate Assessment report from USA our Climate Commission has put together a brief on what is happening in Oz

Off the Charts: Extreme Australian summer heat

Key messages

The length, extent and severity of the current Australian heatwave is unprecedented in the measurement record.

Although Australia has always had heatwaves, hot days and bushfires, climate change is increasing the risk of more frequent and longer heatwaves and more extreme hot days, as well as exacerbating bushfire conditions.

Climate change has contributed to making the current extreme heat conditions and bushfires worse.

Good community understanding of climate change risks is critical to ensure we take appropriate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to put measures in place to prepare for, and respond to, extreme weather.

Australia is a land of extremes. As global temperature rises, very hot days are becoming more frequent and heatwaves are becoming more prolonged across many parts of Australia.

The heatwave affecting Australia in late December and early January brought extreme heat to most of the Australian continent over a sustained period. Temperatures above 40 °C and 45 °C were unprecedented in their extent across the continent, breaking new records for Australian averaged maximum temperatures. The heat was also unprecedented in its duration.

The Climate Commission has received questions from the community and media seeking to understand the link between climate change and the very unusual weather. This document provides a summary of the influence of climate change on Australia’s temperature and extreme heat events.

Understanding the link between heat extremes and climate change is important because efforts today to reduce greenhouse gas emissions will influence the severity of these types of events in the future. Having a good understanding of climate change risks can ensure that we take appropriate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to put measures in place to prepare for, and respond to, more extreme weather.

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http://climatecommission.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/CC_Jan_2013_Heatwave4.pdf

Knobby22 said:

...You should get me locked up for quoting scientific results.

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Don't you mean computer modelled predictions by some scientists on government pay rolls? There have also been quotes by highly trained scientists who do not agree with AGW - do you listen to those too?

And how about Flannery's "scientific" prediction about no more dam filling rains in Qld BEFORE the floods came?

sorry, you guys only put me off even more by rabbiting on about "science" when history gives us fact which is conveniently ignored unless an occasional record is broken to confirm AGW bias.

And even IF it is a genuine problem do you give a scientific issue to politicians to fix? Then they give compensation to so many that they are not likely to change their ways - that in itself makes it look like even the government are not really concerned and scientists are not serious about fixing the problem by giving the solution to politicians.

basilio said:

Further to the National Climate Assessment report from USA our Climate Commission has put together a brief on what is happening in Oz



http://climatecommission.gov.au/wp-content/uploads/CC_Jan_2013_Heatwave4.pdf

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Scaremongering at best, imo.

And this is simply another PREDICTION. Will this one have the same fate as Flannery's "no more dam filling rains in Qld"??? TIME WILL TELL...