Hysteria you call it. The rubbish is from your side of the argument. The broard generalisations and weak anecdotal without support other than what you selectively take from the past is clear enough. Your concern at changes that are being made to the detriment from your point to the real estate industry, coal et.al. exposes the bias.
Global warming and outright deterioration of the planet is clearly self evident without the need of science, (though an objective look at the science is compelling)we can see and feel it with our own senses.
Al Gore is not a scientist he merely puts forth his view as a concerned citizen.
Yes the planet, has been here before in different ways. (the Book "The Sixth Extinction" paints it clearly) but in those periods, the species have been decimated to the tune of 90% You want us to go down that path.
And I will not go down the path of reminding of the huge number of clear and observable changes, but will say, that if even 10% of what appears to be happening, happens, then all efforts need to be put in place to safeguard our planet and species from any where near the projected outcomes.
And I believe this thread ought be linked into the thread headed "Climate Change...".
Basilio is merely pointing out the facts as have been determined at this stage by science.
Not the science funded by the petro dollars as leaked out by Jeremy Leggett
wayneL you merely sit back in your chair and regurgitate ........t
And methane comes from a cow.
Peer-Review Irony
When asked about the research of Muller and the BEST team, which has also confirmed the accuracy of the surface temperature record, Watts provided a very ironic response.
"Unfortunately he has not succeeded in terms of how science views, you know, a successful inquiry. His papers have not passed peer review."
Anthony Watts himself has co-authored two peer-reviewed scientific papers, one of which was the aforementioned Fall et al., which confirmed the accuracy of the surface temperature record with respect to the average global surface warming.
On his blog, Watts has attempted to defend his claims on PBS news hour by referencing a preliminary, unsubmitted, unpublished paper he has drafted which purports to identify problems in the temperature record. However, that preliminary paper contains numerous fundamental flaws which entirely negate its conclusions, and since it has not passed peer-review, according to Watts' own comments it is not "a successful inquiry."
So we have Watts dismissing Muller's comments because his research has not passed peer-review, and yet Watts' own comments contradict the results of his own peer-reviewed paper.
Oh Dear Lord Plod. ROTFLMAO
For instance, while on the face of it the arctic may be distressingly low on sea ice at the moment, warmists ignore the record highs being set at the other end of the earth and fail to consider a possible reverse correlation between southern and northern sea ice volumes. There's a study waiting in the wings right there.
on that compare the studies done by type petro crowd and those done by the church of climate... the difference is staggering, almost 5000 times the difference... when 99% of the funds are going into one side is it a wonder why the debate isnt over, yet its not
Whats the problem with addressing evidence Wayne ?
Why do you continue to attack me personally and refuse to discuss the material you present and the errors that are continually exposed with your sources ?
Will anyone else who quotes this materiall be smeared as well. Clearly almost every other forum member who doesn't agree with you has left the building because its not a great feeling to be put down relentlessly.
There was another comment from the PBS interview which highlighted how hopelessly contradicted Anthony Watts is in his attack on the accuracy of temperature records.
Advocacy. Clever, and obviously an intelligent debater, but still more advocacy, smoke and mirrors, than science.
And what do I do ? The best I can. Clearly it will never be enough. And clearly whatever I do will never be enough for you. And since whatever I say about my personal life isn't provable why believe it ? How about sticking to more verifiable information instead of personal attacks.
Rio shift on climate change. Despite their coal interests, Rio Tinto recognise the facts are too strong. Looks like the money for the obscuration movement is going to continue to dry up in the face of reality.
RIO Tinto's language on climate change has shifted, with the company now recognising that global warming is ''largely caused by human activities''.
Previously, Rio had accepted that human activities were making ''a contribution'' to climate change.
In a speech yesterday, Rio's head of coal in Australia, Bill Champion, said the company recognised the value of action on climate change.
''The scale of the necessary emissions reductions and the need for adaptation, coupled with the world's increasing requirements for secure, affordable energy, create large challenges,'' he said.
''We support a co-ordinated global approach to reduce emissions. Until that is in place, as well as after, we recognise that it will be necessary for individual jurisdictions to take actions.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/rio-shift-on-climate-change-20120928-26qxl.html#ixzz27zzP7CIq
I read this as "Coal boom is being hit from all angles so we need another money making process in place..."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ic-party-central/story-e6frg6so-1226487028442Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen became the first to traverse the Northwest Passage 106 years ago.
The route is now seasonally ice-free as global warming linked to greenhouse gas emissions melts the polar ice cap, with access leading to a rush of prospecting, oil and gas exploration and new tourism.
According to the US Geological Survey, the region contains one fifth of the world's undiscovered oil reserves.
Internet giant Google also started mapping the Canadian Arctic Archipelago in August for its online map service.
An ice-free Arctic is not all bad.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ic-party-central/story-e6frg6so-1226487028442
In today's "Weekend Australlian": Antarctic Ice Increases.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...nds-against-odds/story-e6frg8y6-1226489479585
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