Resisting Climate Hysteria

Smurf1976 · 23 May 2012

brty said:
PS There is no evidence that stopping all CO2 emmisions will do anything to prevent climate change, not that there is any chance of that happening.

For me that is the crux of the whole argument. There is no realistic prospect of CO2 emissions actually being reduced, therefore there is no point pretending that such an outcome is an option.

On one hand we hear calls to switch power generation to gas, catch the bus to work and take shorter showers. Meanwhile, the very same government advocating such things is also advocating the development of an entirely new export industry - brown coal.

Yep, literally every tonne of coal not burnt at Hazelwood, Yallourn, Loy Yang etc ends up exported as that's the aim of the plan once someone works out how to physically export the stuff in an economic manner. Once you realise that, well then you realise that calls to put on a jumper and turn off the Playstation are about as relevant to the climate as trying to draw a link between owning a dog and learning to play the piano.

Mainstream politics is to CO2 reduction what Steel Panther are to heavy metal. Amusing and an escape from reality with no intention of doing anything even remotely serious. That said, whilst there's fun to be had with cover bands and musical parody, I think most would prefer our politicians to be somewhat more serious.

bandicoot76 · 23 May 2012

Smurf1976 said:
Mainstream politics is to CO2 reduction what Steel Panther are to heavy metal. Amusing and an escape from reality with no intention of doing anything even remotely serious. That said, whilst there's fun to be had with cover bands and musical parody, I think most would prefer our politicians to be somewhat more serious.

love the steel panther gag smurf old mate! classic!

OzWaveGuy · 26 May 2012

The discredited Hockey Stick continues to make news....and recent investigations show how the data was corrupted. This is the Mann hockey stick that erased the medieval warming period that continues to draw alarmists such as basilio, knobby nodding in full agreement without question to the AGW lapping bowl, whilst others of a more inquiring mind dig into the reality....

.....By 1988, there were only twelve cores used in a year, an amazingly small number from the period that should have provided the easiest data. By 1990, the count was only ten, and it dropped to just five in 1995. Without an explanation of how the strange sampling of the available data had been performed, the suspicion of cherry-picking became overwhelming, particularly since the sharp 20th-century uptick in the series was almost entirely due to a single tree.

....But the ruse has now been shot to pieces, by the recent decision from the U.K.’s information commissioner that Briffa can no longer withhold the list of sites he used in his suppressed regional record for the Yamal area. The disclosure of these sites has allowed McIntyre to calculate what the broad series would have looked like if Briffa had chosen to publish it. He has shown that it has no hint of the hockey-stick shape that Briffa’s cherry-picked data indicated.....

No matter, Basilio's assertion that "elitist scientists" constructed the original hockey stick must be believed because they are in fact climate scientists (provided they support AGW) that could "never" be corrupted. The scam continues to unravel for those at the AGW lapping bowl. Perhaps there's some impending legal action that may soon sink AGW scam a little further. Let's see.

Logique · 29 May 2012

We might be wishing for some of that global warming by winter's end, and some rain for the crops. Kevin Long is a Victorian scientist who studies sunspot activity.

http://www.thelongview.com.au/forecast.html
THE WINTER FORECAST FOR CENTRAL VICTORIA 2012
As predicted by Kevin Long - 18/5/2012

...LOWEST SUN SPOT CYCLE FOR 100 YEARS POINTS TO SOLAR MININUM PERIOD - 2015 TO 2045 -NASA has changed their sunspot prediction from extremely high sun spot activity to the lowest for 100 years.
( See details in the recent paper on my website: “NASA’s latest predictions support global cooling” )

THE WINTER FORECAST In brief: A very dry growing season should be expected.
The Winter rains will be sporadic. Small rains will sometimes be produced by the passing cold fronts, generally when the moon is close to its Northern declination point (low in the northern sky and close to new moon phase).

• Frosts this Winter will be more intense than they have been for many years. These intensifying frosts will be the first noticeable signs of a general cooling trend that will last for many decades...

sails · 29 May 2012

Logique said:
We might be wishing for some of that global warming by winter's end, and some rain for the crops. Kevin Long is a Victorian scientist who studies sunspot activity.

thanks for that, Logique! However, our resident warmists will probably dismiss this as weather...lol

Seems that anything cold = weather and anything hot = AGW...

DB008 · 1 June 2012

And from the guardian, yesterday

Warming gas levels hit 'troubling milestone'

AP Science Writer= WASHINGTON (AP) ”” The world's air has reached what scientists call a troubling new milestone for carbon dioxide, the main global warming pollutant.

Monitoring stations across the Arctic this spring are measuring more than 400 parts per million of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere. The number isn't quite a surprise, because it's been rising at an accelerating pace. Years ago, it passed the 350 ppm mark that many scientists say is the highest safe level for carbon dioxide. It now stands globally at 395.

So far, only the Arctic has reached that 400 level, but the rest of the world will follow soon.

"The fact that it's 400 is significant," said Jim Butler, global monitoring director at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Lab in Boulder, Colo. "It's just a reminder to everybody that we haven't fixed this and we're still in trouble."

Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas and stays in the atmosphere for 100 years. Some carbon dioxide is natural, mainly from decomposing dead plants and animals. Before the Industrial Age, levels were around 275 parts per million.

Readings are coming in at 400 and higher all over the Arctic. They've been recorded in Alaska, Greenland, Norway, Iceland and even Mongolia. But levels change with the seasons and will drop a bit in the summer, when plants suck up carbon dioxide, NOAA scientists said.

So the yearly average for those northern stations likely will be lower and so will the global number.

Globally, the average carbon dioxide level is about 395 parts per million but will pass the 400 mark within a few years, scientists said.

The Arctic is the leading indicator in global warming, both in carbon dioxide in the air and effects, said Pieter Tans, a senior NOAA scientist.

"This is the first time the entire Arctic is that high," he said.

Tans called reaching the 400 number "depressing," and Butler said it was "a troubling milestone."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10266256

wayneL · 1 June 2012

DB008 said:
And from the guardian, yesterday

Warming gas levels hit 'troubling milestone'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10266256

Thank God. It's been ****ing freezing here.

sails · 1 June 2012

wayneL said:
Thank God. It's been ****ing freezing here.

It's rather cold here in SE Qld too...

OzWaveGuy · 2 June 2012

Team AGW will try to invent new ways to make us feel warm....perhaps artificially raising the sea levels to make us all believe as Tim Flannery and Basilio do that we will soon be swamped by 8 story high seas....Jo nova takes a look at the "adjustments" - and yes, they are always upward adjustments.....surprise surprise:

the Topex Poseidon satellite array showed virtually no rise at all from 1993-2001. Surely not, I thought. I asked sea-level expert Nils Axel-Morner, and he confirmed: “Yes, it is as bad as that.“ Now, given that Envisat (the European satellite) showed no rise from 2003-2011 (until it was adjusted) that means we have almost 20 years of raw satellite data showing very little rise.

As some of the non-corrupted climate scientists have suggested - we may well be into a significant cooling trend. The unadjusted data from multiple sources seems to suggest that as well. Don't worry Basilio, the scientist i'm referring to aren't "elitist" like Tim Flannery so they cannot be real scientists according to your AGW propaganda sheet.

Calliope · 2 June 2012

OzWaveGuy said:
Team AGW will try to invent new ways to make us feel warm....perhaps artificially raising the sea levels to make us all believe as Tim Flannery and Basilio do that we Don't worry Basilio, the scientist i'm referring to aren't "elitist" like Tim Flannery so they cannot be real scientists according to your AGW propaganda sheet.

Basilio and his "real scientists" promised us global warming. I am sitting here tonight shivering and the weather is cold and miserable. When are they going to deliver on their promise. I would like to share in a bit of the warmth before Gillard's Carbon Tax kicks in and puts the brakes on GW.

Smurf1976 · 2 June 2012

Calliope said:
Basilio and his "real scientists" promised us global warming. I am sitting here tonight shivering and the weather is cold and miserable. When are they going to deliver on their promise. I would like to share in a bit of the warmth before Gillard's Carbon Tax kicks in and puts the brakes on GW.

Heat your house by burning coal. Strangely enough, you should actually be able to avoid paying carbon tax on this (in theory at least) and by adding extra CO2 you'll be doing your bit for raising the earth's temperature. :

(Serious note - burning black coal in a domestic wood heater can overheat the appliance and pose a safety hazard if you cram lots of the stuff into the firebox and open the air fully. It can be used with reasonable common sense however.)

Calliope · 2 June 2012

Smurf1976 said:
Heat your house by burning coal. Strangely enough, you should actually be able to avoid paying carbon tax on this (in theory at least) and by adding extra CO2 you'll be doing your bit for raising the earth's temperature. :

:???. You are getting childish.

basilio · 3 June 2012

Just brilliant folks.

An entire scientific discipline; a few billion research papers, enough global records to sink a battleship and you can collectively decide on the evidence of AGW by putting your head outside on cold winters morning and shiver. Priceless.

If ignorance is truly bliss then you must all be skipping across the fields in Nirvana.

Enjoy !!

sails · 3 June 2012

basilio said:
Just brilliant folks.

An entire scientific discipline; a few billion research papers, enough global records to sink a battleship and you can collectively decide on the evidence of AGW by putting your head outside on cold winters morning and shiver. Priceless.

If ignorance is truly bliss then you must all be skipping across the fields in Nirvana.

Enjoy !!

Basilio - AGW does not appear to be proven, it seems to be no more than a hypothesis and any scientist who disagrees with it is considered loopy at best. Emotional tactics are not scientific.

Flannery's forecasts didn't pan out too well, did they? Shows the inputs to AGW computer modelling were not correct and this money grab based on an unproven hypothesis has speeded up the total rejection of such nonsense by the majority of voters.

This was the opinion polls around the time Gillard defiantly passed her carbon tax legislation:

A clear majority of electors (57%, up 1% since August 2011) oppose the Gillard Government’s Carbon Tax ”” despite the legislation passing Federal Parliament in recent weeks compared to only 37% (down 1%) that support it.

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4710/

Similar polling in July 2011 - so Gillard knew she was legislating against the wishes of the majority and, in the spirit of democracy, I believe she should have waited one more year and taken it to the people for a vote.
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4686/

Calliope · 3 June 2012

basilio said:
An entire scientific discipline; a few billion research papers, enough global records to sink a battleship and you can collectively decide on the evidence of AGW by putting your head outside on cold winters morning and shiver. Priceless.

You have just reinforced you major weakness basilio. You rubbish those who are not convinced, yet you think that having "enough global records to sink a battleship" is a convincing argument. What rubbish.

Remember; "It is quality rather than quantity that matters."

Garpal Gumnut · 3 June 2012

Calliope said:
You have just reinforced you major weakness basilio. You rubbish those who are not convinced, yet you think that having "enough global records to sink a battleship" is a convincing argument. What rubbish.

Remember; "It is quality rather than quantity that matters."

Agree, Calliope,

From the High Priest Al Gore down, there are many with a financial interest in administering an industry based on naught but belief.

It reminds me of the Middle Ages, when millions of words were written as to how many angels fitted on the head of a pin.

It was raining here yesterday, a miserable day, but there is glorious sunshine today. A day fit for angels.

gg

OzWaveGuy · 3 June 2012

basilio said:
Just brilliant folks.

An entire scientific discipline; a few billion research papers, enough global records to sink a battleship and you can collectively decide on the evidence of AGW by putting your head outside on cold winters morning and shiver. Priceless.

If ignorance is truly bliss then you must all be skipping across the fields in Nirvana.

Enjoy !!

lol. And with those billions of reports you still cannot answer the simplest of questions relating to observed evidence. instead you continue to blather about models, the corrupt "scientists" such as Mann, flannery, Hansen etc. Time to have another rest on the agw couch and keep yourself from overheating, let the big boys and girls sort out the reality of facts and the agw scam .

Smurf1976 · 3 June 2012

Calliope said:
:???. You are getting childish.

In what way? A coal fire will fix the problem of you being cold, and (in theory at least) is not subject to carbon tax.

The real tragedy in all of this is that a legitimate field of scientific research has been effectively wrecked by politics. Even if AGW were demonstrated as being real, many people wouldn't care less since their willingness to consider the issue has been destroyed by the tax grab and threats to democracy thus far associated with it.

sails · 3 June 2012

Smurf1976 said:
In what way? A coal fire will fix the problem of you being cold, and (in theory at least) is not subject to carbon tax.

The real tragedy in all of this is that a legitimate field of scientific research has been effectively wrecked by politics. Even if AGW were demonstrated as being real, many people wouldn't care less since their willingness to consider the issue has been destroyed by the tax grab and threats to democracy thus far associated with it.

Agree Smurf. It will most likely be a case of the proverbial throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Calliope · 4 June 2012

Smurf1976 said:
In what way? A coal fire will fix the problem of you being cold, and (in theory at least) is not subject to carbon tax.

The real tragedy in all of this is that a legitimate field of scientific research has been effectively wrecked by politics. Even if AGW were demonstrated as being real, many people wouldn't care less since their willingness to consider the issue has been destroyed by the tax grab and threats to democracy thus far associated with it.

I was referring to your "stick out tongue". viz. :

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