wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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Take Knobby's advice folks.
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Of all the lies and distortions you have propagated on this thread Wayne, that one might take the cake.
Heartland does no climate research. All its money goes to spin, distortion, and lies.
Every other organisation does real work which includes climate research - whose results are publicly available and which Heartland consistently and deliberately abuses - but also includes many other activities.
Are you really a Libertarian? How can you support an organisation that is so utterly and criminally irresponsible. How can you call yourself responsible when you ignore an argument built on verifiable data because of your assumptions about the political views of the people who present it?
Climate doesn't do politics.
End of story. Well put Ghoti
If their mission statement actually directed their activities then they would be discovering, developing and promoting free-market solutions for the social and economic problems arising from the warming planet. Workable solutions don't start by denying physical facts.Not quite;
"The mission of the Heartland Institute is to discover, develop, and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems."
I can understand why you socialists hate it so much.Your solutions to social and economic problems are also Bob Brown's.
Of all the lies and distortions you have propagated on this thread Wayne, that one might take the cake.
Are you really a Libertarian? How can you support an organisation that is so utterly and criminally irresponsible. How can you call yourself responsible when you ignore an argument built on verifiable data because of your assumptions about the political views of the people who present it?
Climate doesn't do politics.
If their mission statement actually directed their activities then they would be discovering, developing and promoting free-market solutions for the social and economic problems arising from the warming planet. Workable solutions don't start by denying physical facts.
The physical facts will play out over time. Already, the physical facts are embarrassingly divergent from alarmist predictions. In addition, there is poor understanding of the causation of actual physical facts with regards to climate.
Meanwhile, more pressing facts present themselves... and the world is sidetracked by nonsense.
There are two things wrong with that chart,
1) it assumes the EPA, NASA etc. are evil organisations providing distorted science and propaganda when they are doing no such thing.
I like the EPA being there in particular, The Simpsons Movie spoofed it by having the EPA being the bad guys. One of the Republican nominees, forget which one now, said they would close the EPA if they got in power.
In some eyes, the EPA is in the new axis of evil with Nasa, laughable.
2) The second thing that is wrong with the chart is that it only has the Heartland Institute arguing the other side when there are many forces at work. The money goes elsewhere too! It is very effectively used.
OK lets quadruple the Heartland sum... screw it, lets multiply by 10! Ok lets make it 20x.....
Hysteria ?
B]Facts and Myths about Global Warming:
A Conservative Perspective[/B]
by John R. E. Bliese, Ph.D.
Global warming is one of our most critical environmental problems, but it is surely the most misunderstood. There is a lot of misinformation out there, and there has also been a disinformation campaign by some special interests who want to protect their short-term profits by preventing us from solving the problem. Unfortunately, some conservative organizations and publications have participated in this disinformation campaign.
There is no justification for this, just as there is nothing conservative about denying scientific evidence.
Global warming is a highly complex issue, so all I can do here is deal briefly with a few points.
Myth: There is a huge debate among scientists about whether global warming is a real problem.
False. If you look at the scientific journals, you will not find anything of the sort. The consensus of almost all climate scientists is that global warming is already happening, that human actions are causing it, and that it will cause major problems for our planet. Of the hundreds of climate scientists in the world, there are only a handful who are still doubters. When the TV news gives both “sides” equal time, it is seriously misleading the public about the current state of climate science. The earth’s climate is enormously complex, so there are still plenty of research questions to keep the scientists occupied for a long time. Still, the overwhelming consensus is that we are causing a serious problem for the near and distant future. The “debate” about global warming exists only on the TV news and the op-ed pages of the newspapers.
http://www.rep.org/global_warming.html
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There are a number of "conservatives" who recognise reality. I just came across the Republicians for Environmental Protection - The Green Elephant.
Oceans Acidifying Fastest in 300 Million Years
The Earth’s oceans may be acidifying faster than at any point during the last 300 million years due to industrial emissions, endangering marine life from oysters and reefs to sea-going salmon, researchers said.
The scientists found surging levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere forced down the pH of the ocean by 0.1 unit in the last century, 10 times faster than the closest historical comparison from 56 million years ago, New York’s Columbia University, which led the research, said today in a statement. The seas absorb CO2 from the atmosphere, forming carbonic acid. The lower the pH level in the seas, the more acidic they are.
Past instances of ocean acidification have been linked with mass extinctions of marine creatures so the current one could also threaten important species, according to Baerbel Hoenisch, the paleoceanographer at Columbia who was lead author of the paper that appeared today in the journal Science.
“If industrial carbon emissions continue at the current pace, we may lose organisms we care about -- coral reefs, oysters, salmon,” Hoenisch said.
The UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has said ocean pH may fall another 0.3 units this century, according to Columbia. The closest change to the current pace occurred during the so-called Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum about 56 million years ago, when a doubling of the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide may have pushed pH levels down by 0.45 units over 20,000 years, according to the researchers.
Just don't worry about it mate.
Ask the poor bastards in Bathurst who were promised drought for 50 years by the same or similar experts, and being deluged tonight.
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In an individuals world, petrol costs Rupees 63 a litre and diesel costs Rupees 51 a litre. We all know that. We also know that carbon emissions as a result of burning fossil fuels has increased atmospheric carbon levels which traps the suns radiation and heat within the atmosphere causing rapid warming and sending the natural climate patterns into chaotic change. Here are some other costs we don’t often consider or link to our fuel and energy expenses:
THE ADDED COSTS OF UNSEASONAL RAINS & THE EXPENSES THEY BRING WITH THEM
Every time there are unseasonal rains and floods as an effect of climate change, massive damage is done, crops are destroyed, food supply is hit….causes shortage and spiralling prices as a consequence. The damage needs to be repaired, compensation needs to be paid and whether you like it or not…everyone bears the cost of these unseasonal floods and rains. It’s not as simple as not getting Mangoes on time, millions and billions even are lost each year owing to these changes in rain patterns
The Devil May Quote Scripture to His Own Ends.
If there is not enough sand in which to hide one will quote myth. Which deniers typically do when all else is failing.
The tone and use of language in here is like a debate between opposing religious extremists.
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