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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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It is sobering but what also concerns me is how many, many people won't actually view the figures or if they do, find a way to deny the implications or even the possibility we are facing a serious problem.
Reference?
I was really taken by how temperatures have increased over the last 120 years
Less than 1 degree globally
Hardly new info?
 
Coldest start to summer in NSW for 50 years. Personally (not having lived in NSW all my life) i can't EVER remember a day in December with a max temp of 19 degrees.

Perhaps we're over the warmin and global cooling has already started...
 
Yes amazing weather for a NSW December. Two jumpers today. Plenty of rain too. I know we're starting to cover old ground in this long thread, but if anyone felt inclined to read it again, something in the piece for both warmists and sceptics:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ge/story-e6frfku0-1226076791684#ixzz1feAZ8WT5
June 2011
"EARTH may be heading for a "Little Ice Age", according to scientists at two leading US research institutions.
Researchers from the US National Solar Observatory (NSO) and the Air Force Research Laboratory were considering today whether a decline in solar activity could lead to a period similar to the Maunder Minimum in the 17th century, when there were virtually no sunspots for 70 years.
During this period, known as the Little Ice Age, temperatures dropped and up to 28cm of ice formed in Europe.....Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ge/story-e6frfku0-1226076791684#ixzz1feAZ8WT5

Take that Europe, economic tumult and 28cm of ice!
 
Well Logique it's probably worth recognising the whole quote even for such a short story.

For anyone who would like to examine what Joanna Haigh is saying check out the presentation by Ian Dunlop

http://wwz.unibas.ch/fileadmin/wwz/redaktion/umwelt/Lehre/EWI/External_1.pdf

You can find the context of his talk at the following link

http://www.energybulletin.net/stori...e-it-climate-change-seen-depletion-scientists
 
And now for something completely different.... (but perhaps not)

Is it possible for an industry that is producing a legal but dangerous product to disregard its own research, fake its own science and come up with a relentless, creative advertising campaign to ensure it's financial survival ?

This of course is the tobacco industry. Have a look at the types of advertising that was used to gloss over any health concerns and keep smoking at the centre of culture.

You can even see the special pseudo science claims made on behalf of cigarettes as well as the extensive health benefits as noted by the medical profession.

And remember that the industry was well aware of smokings effects from the early 50's.

http://lne.stanford.edu/tobacco/index.html
 

But bas, the Global Warming Industry is just as perverse as the Smoking Lobby.

The same advertising, the same shambolic studies, the same supposed health benefits, and the same John Wayne aka Al Gore advertisements as the Tobacco Industry.

gg
 
But bas, the Global Warming Industry is just as perverse as the Smoking Lobby.

The same advertising, the same shambolic studies, the same supposed health benefits, and the same John Wayne aka Al Gore advertisements as the Tobacco Industry.

gg

Total, complete and utter BS GG.
 


A simple sample of the lies the industry fed the public. Can anyone recognise the same language as used by GW deniers ? It's because the same sociopaths are running the current campaign.
 
But bas, the Global Warming Industry is just as perverse as the Smoking Lobby.

The same advertising, the same shambolic studies, the same supposed health benefits, and the same John Wayne aka Al Gore advertisements as the Tobacco Industry.

gg

You reminded me of these little snippets, gg.

 
Total, complete and utter BS GG.

That's a compelling logical argument you have there basilio </sarc>. Having had the elephant in the room pointed out to you, you jump up and down and stamp your feet.

You appear to have been hoist by your own petard.
 
Interesting article re sea level here.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/editorial/op-ed/sea-scandal-730


 
Ancient trees tell different climate story - Professor Liu Yu has studied untouched forests dating thousands of years along the remote Tibetan Plateau for clues to past and current weather - South China Morning Post, 6 Dec 2011 - http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCM...04310VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&ss=china&s=news

"Q: So what causes climate change?
Professor Liu Yu:
We believe that the sun and atmospheric circulations play a vital, if not decisive, role in this. The millennial cycle of solar activity determines the long-term trends of temperature variations. Almost all sunspot minimums [periods of sometimes several decades when sunspots become rare] correspond with low-temperature intervals. Meanwhile, atmospheric circulations affect temperature changes from decade to decade. To quote Professor Zhu Kezhen, the father of climate change studies in China: "The big changes in the earth's climate have been controlled by solar radiation, but the small changes by atmospheric circulation."

Q: Can tree-ring records tell us anything about the future?
Professor Liu Yu:
Our results show that the temperature continued to increase until 2006, and will now decrease until about 2068. After 2068, the temperature will increase again until 2088."
 
And now for something completely different.... (but perhaps not)
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You can even see the special pseudo science claims made on behalf of cigarettes as well as the extensive health benefits as noted by the medical profession.

I know someone's smoking something. Let me ask Basilio, a very simple question (and to the other faithful to the hysterical cause), Is the Mann Hockey stick fact or fiction?

Surely you don't doubt it since it's built on robust "science" and not pseudo science, right? Everyone for the AGW cause is using it today to prove their point as clear evidence of man's 3% CO2 emissions driving aggressive temperature trends not seen in thousands of years, aren't they? Even our very own Dept of Climate Change, right? And of course Al Gore is still using it in every presentation he gives to this very day to win the hearts and minds of anyone who doubts AGW is real and a clear and present danger, right? It's the smoking gun, it's undeniable, it can't be ignored, it's the observed evidence, right?

When was your last point pontificating the robustness of this AGW marvel as clear evidence versus posting the delusional rubbish we're seeing from you and knobby? Surely this smoking gun, this undeniable evidence is your core foundation to all your AGW arguments and beliefs which must as solid as stone, right?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Good to see us getting back to some science analysis of global warming.

I'm not quite sure why Ozzie wants to try and say the Mann hockey stick is a a fraud. After all it has been a measure of the sharp increase in current global temperatures as compared to all recent historical records (say the last few thousand years).

The BEST team which reported back a few months ago and remeasured and re calibrated all global waring temperatures came to the same conclusion - the earth is warming very rapidly.

You can see the graphs and discussion at the following url
http://www.skepticalscience.com/the-best-kind-of-skepticism.html

On a longer time scale, say 2000 years, check out the following analysis which also identifies the sharp increases in recent temperatures compared to anything that has previously happened. In particular this compares the question of how the medieval warming period compares to the current situation.


http://web.archive.org/web/20080220174450/http://tamino.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/not-alike/
 

BEST Data "Quality"

 

Let's get back to the specific questions at hand. Basilio is implying the Mann Hockey stick is fact (even though Basilio you don't actually say it, please correct me if I'm wrong).

So in your non-biased approach to establish the facts you looked at both sides of the science and determined that the Hockey Stick is fact and the medieval warming period didn't exist after all, even though hundreds of papers have established the Medieval warming. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Ozzie the paper I quoted showed the temperature ranges during the Medieval Warm period and the current times.The current climate is significantly warmer and on all indications will continue to heat up.

Manns hockey stick analysis has been verified many times. Global temperatures have spiked remarkably in the past 30 years.

Trying to find "evidence" that the world has not warmed by around .8C in the last 50 years is grasping at delusional straws.
 
Basilio is hanging on, at least I'm not on the ignore list anymore.....

Basilio is tacitly admitting agreement to the Hockey Stick fraud - as even the IPCC decided the MWP had to go.....to create "unprecedented" temperatures.

This posted over a year ago on ASF from those truthful scientists, well perhaps in AR1 and AR2, but it seems the graph wasn't scary enough for Al Gore.

Briffa was also caught out using a small subset of tree ring data that supported a hockey stick in 2009, rather than use all the data which of course showed no hockey stick at all.



It's all pure science isn't it basilio? Everyone else just needs more practice at lapping it up. Now if we could only find a way to get questioning people to lap to the 3% of man's CO2 driving that hockey stick as easily as you do then this pseudo science would become science, right?
 
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