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If you want to really talk someone out of their moronic belief tell them to have more faith in their God. 'No really, really you really should have much more faith and worthip you great God more, go to church all the time, do so much, much more.' They will find it as repulsive as you do, because they know it's shi7 deep down too.
 
Value Collector said:
The question isn’t about whether I would believe it or not, it’s about why haven’t such things happened.

Eg why is god healing cateracts and discs, and not things like regrowing limbs or beheaded people?

He only seems to focus on things that are generally by mid level health care insurance and seems to operate at levels equal to random chance.
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On the contrary, you are the one demanding Xrays and explanations!
If you thought these things, which you ascribe to "random chance", were unworthy of consideration, you wouldn't be insisting on "before and after" X-ray evidence in your efforts to challenge the veracity of the claimed event. You and I, both know, that you do not anticipate receipt of evidence, acceptable by your standards, in response to this request.

If you are more happy, than not, with the way your life is at present, then I strongly suggest that you be very careful what you wish for!

If the god that I happen to believe in, should ever decide to take your persistent requests for evidence seriously, you may come to have regrets about the life changing experiences that ensue.

Some things once seen, can never be unseen. Some things once heard, can never be unheard. Some things once felt, can never be unfelt etc.

It's not that I would ever expect you to believe my theistic claims anyway, but at least I can live content, in the knowledge, that I made, at least two, token efforts to caution you about the potential for your persistent endeavours to precipitate an unanticipated and discomforting outcome.
 
kennas said:
Wysiwyg, I don’t think you can, unless you’re a true blood.

Why are Australian Aboriginals part of the small minority of cultures to still not accept science to explain the world?

Why hang on to pagan or any modern religious beliefs to explain your existence?

The Aboroginal ‘dream time’ myths are a laughing stock to any modern human.
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Well then, either I am not a modern human, or your statement is quite untrue!
 
Wysiwyg said:
I want you to tell the police if you know of someone doing this. Seriously, you do it.
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I was referring to old grannies tales to kids about it being sinful if they have sexual thoughts and touch themselves. You know, God's watching.
 
cynic said:
Well then, either I am not a modern human, or your statement is quite untrue!
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Obviously I have no idea of where you are on the evolutionary scale.

Perhaps you are in transition.

Or, you will fade away or be wiped out by those who are adapting and being selected to continue into the future world.

I am expecting to be wiped out by our stupidity.
 
kennas said:
Obviously I have no idea of where you are on the evolutionary scale.

Perhaps you are in transition.

Or, you will fade away or be wiped out by those who are adapting and being selected to continue into the future world.

I am expecting to be wiped out by our stupidity.
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Based upon your expressed perspective, I find your confession to being in possession of stupidity, unsurprising.

On second thoughts, when I witness statements, professing to the stupidity of others, I usually find that those very same professors are somehow oblivious to their own stupidity!

Basically, some people are too stupid too realise how stupid they actually are, and then compound their error by accusing others (sometimes those of greater intelligence than themselves) of being stupid!
 
kennas said:
I am expecting to be wiped out by our stupidity.
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You are obviously being rhetorical, because no way am I stupid...... a few of the others for sure, but not me. I'm so clever I even impress myself.
 
notting said:
Seeking the truth, if you have not already worked it out fully, is most meaningful. However you will never find it until you are brutally honest with yourself.
At first that may seem painful and confronting, but in the end it will be unending awesome!
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/21/har...e.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar
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I think it's pretty well established that for a long life you need to have endured a childhood illness, followed by a well exercised brain, a lifetime of steady aerobic activity, denial of post teenage maturation,ambivalence and bacon....bacon is the means that transports natural lard into the body which must be good because God wouldn't have invented it otherwise.
 
cynic said:
On the contrary, you are the one demanding Xrays and explanations!
If you thought these things, which you ascribe to "random chance", were unworthy of consideration, you wouldn't be insisting on "before and after" X-ray evidence in your efforts to challenge the veracity of the claimed event. You and I, both know, that you do not anticipate receipt of evidence, acceptable by your standards, in response to this request.

If you are more happy, than not, with the way your life is at present, then I strongly suggest that you be very careful what you wish for!

If the god that I happen to believe in, should ever decide to take your persistent requests for evidence seriously, you may come to have regrets about the life changing experiences that ensue.

Some things once seen, can never be unseen. Some things once heard, can never be unheard. Some things once felt, can never be unfelt etc.

It's not that I would ever expect you to believe my theistic claims anyway, but at least I can live content, in the knowledge, that I made, at least two, token efforts to caution you about the potential for your persistent endeavours to precipitate an unanticipated and discomforting outcome.
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I would like to see before and after X-rays to confirm that he did in fact regrow discs, only then once we have confirmed the discs did regrow could we discuss the cause.

It is quite possible that the discs didn’t regrow at all, and the claims are totally fiction.

As far as I know there is no cases in medical history of discs regrowing, so that first part of the claim needs to be proven before we can use the claim as evidence of a god.
 
Value Collector said:
It’s embarrassing that so called “modern humans” still believe the Bible’s stories.
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Do "modern" aborigines still believe the Dreamtime myths ? I think some are desperately hanging on to the old ways to avoid their culture being subsumed by white man's science.
 
SirRumpole said:
Do "modern" aborigines still believe the Dreamtime myths ? I think some are desperately hanging on to the old ways to avoid their culture being subsumed by white man's science.
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I don’t know, but you could say the same about most religions eg Islam, Christianity, Judaism they all have their fundamentalists scrambling to Hold on to their outdated culture.
 
cynic said:
If you are more happy, than not, with the way your life is at present, then I strongly suggest that you be very careful what you wish for!

If the god that I happen to believe in, should ever decide to take your persistent requests for evidence seriously, you may come to have regrets about the life changing experiences that ensue.

Some things once seen, can never be unseen. Some things once heard, can never be unheard. Some things once felt, can never be unfelt etc.

It's not that I would ever expect you to believe my theistic claims anyway, but at least I can live content, in the knowledge, that I made, at least two, token efforts to caution you about the potential for your persistent endeavours to precipitate an unanticipated and discomforting outcome.
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If your god exists he is scared of me.

When some people lose their keys, they ask god to help them find them, then when they do find them they thank their god, thinking the god helped them find their keys.

So to test the system, I started threatening the god saying “ if you don’t give me my keys now I will punch you in the face “, and every time so far I have promptly found my keys, so I am basically bulling your god if it exists.

I have also done the opposite test, where I have asked the god if it does exist to hide my keys forever, again I have found my keys every time.

So he either doesn’t exist or is scared of me, I think he doesn’t exist.
 
Value Collector said:
I would like to see before and after X-rays to confirm that he did in fact regrow discs, only then once we have confirmed the discs did regrow could we discuss the cause.

It is quite possible that the discs didn’t regrow at all, and the claims are totally fiction.

As far as I know there is no cases in medical history of discs regrowing, so that first part of the claim needs to be proven before we can use the claim as evidence of a god.
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If you cannot be honest with yourself about your true motives, why should anyone else take your assertions seriously?
 
SirRumpole said:
Do "modern" aborigines still believe the Dreamtime myths ? I think some are desperately hanging on to the old ways to avoid their culture being subsumed by white man's science.
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Israel just "discovered" a seal of the Biblical (Jewish) Mayor or overlord, but definitely original owner and occupier, of Jerusalem.

Look at all the places of worship around Australia alone... they aren't all for the lesser culture you know. Plenty of Churches and Synagogues welcoming perfectly normal and intelligent people into an hour long session of praying and singing to some Arabs :D
 
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