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SirRumpole said:
You have your definition and I have mine.

Religion involves a power structure Priests & Imams leading their flock, my beliefs don't involve anything like that.

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No your thinking of organised religions/ cults and the institutions they create, I didn't say you have a cult, just that you have your own personal religion, which obviously being a personal religion doesn't require an institution.
 
Tisme said:
If you had ever taken notice of Sunday School and your confirmation needs you would know about how Jesus topped himself for the sins of us mere mortals. Part of that sacrifice was to embody and personify deuteronomy so it could be dealt with by the top brass leaving us ground dwellers free of its Mosaic constraint. Romans and Paul the Apostle deal with and explain it's defunct but has historical merit.


There is a reasons(s) for the word "new" in New Testament.
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So how does any of that affect whether you should now be allowed to eat bacon?

Look its all a big rationalization because you know how morally bankrupt your scriptures are.

So is the Ten commandments still in force?

but anyway none of that matters because there is still groups eg the Jews that have the Bible as their book, and they don't accept your NT, and my original point was that you can't write off Muslims because of the Koran when the bible says the same stuff.
 
Value Collector said:
No your thinking of organised religions/ cults and the institutions they create, I didn't say you have a cult, just that you have your own personal religion, which obviously being a personal religion doesn't require an institution.
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A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws, or a preferred lifestyle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion
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One person can't be called organised, especially not me.

I would think that your concepts of morality with its rules and memes would fit the definition of religion much more than my views.
 
Value Collector said:
So how does any of that affect whether you should now be allowed to eat bacon?

Look its all a big rationalization because you know how morally bankrupt your scriptures are.

So is the Ten commandments still in force?

but anyway none of that matters because there is still groups eg the Jews that have the Bible as their book, and they don't accept your NT, and my original point was that you can't write off Muslims because of the Koran when the bible says the same stuff.
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I kinda like being taken to task over an assumption I'm a bible basher. I will admit I will defend Tink's catholicism, even if it doesn't fit my spiritual needs and if you are going to use the Bible as a bludgeon you really need to understand the differences between the old and the new.

When the Catholics, Protestants and their Skyfaires team up to cause us innocents harm we we should be shipping them off to Antarctica, like we should be doing to that cavemen mob we imported, right now.

What does it take for pollies to admit our immigration policies have been a dud for a long time now.
 
SirRumpole said:
One person can't be called organised, especially not me.

I would think that your concepts of morality with its rules and memes would fit the definition of religion much more than my views.
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Again you are making the mistake of thinking a religion has to be an organised religion, if that were so we wouldn't need the term "organised religion" in the first place.

Nope, my beliefs on morality is not a religion, it doesn't involve a higher power or creator or any woo, and it's an evidence based belief, there is no faith needed.
 
Value Collector said:
Again you are making the mistake of thinking a religion has to be an organised religion, if that were so we wouldn't need the term "organised religion" in the first place.

Nope, my beliefs on morality is not a religion, it doesn't involve a higher power or creator or any woo, and it's an evidence based belief, there is no faith needed.
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Anyway I doubt if either your beliefs or mine are a danger to society, Islam certainly is.
 
SirRumpole said:
Anyway I doubt if either your beliefs or mine are a danger to society, Islam certainly is.
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In most cases your type of beliefs are relatively benign, all depends on how much woo is attached to it, the more you base your beliefs on facts supported by evidence the better in my opinion.

I am am not saying you are in this basket, but even These "new age" type hippy beliefs that seem the most benign, can be damaging if it causes people to avoid proper medical treatment, or worse convince others to avoid proper medical treatment.

In general I think avoiding al superstition is best.
 
Value Collector said:
In most cases your type of beliefs are relatively benign, all depends on how much woo is attached to it, the more you base your beliefs on facts supported by evidence the better in my opinion.

I am am not saying you are in this basket, but even These "new age" type hippy beliefs that seem the most benign, can be damaging if it causes people to avoid proper medical treatment, or worse convince others to avoid proper medical treatment.

In general I think avoiding al superstition is best.
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Certainly, if only we can convince the Muslims to do that we would be a lot safer.
 
I can understand the Indians taking a stand on this kind of nonsense:

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Melbourne law student Matthew Gordon was at a restaurant in the southern city of Bangalore with his girlfriend on Saturday when around a dozen activists from the ruling Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party began harassing the couple.

They said a tattoo of the Hindu fertility goddess Yellama on his shin offended their religious sentiments, and ordered him to remove it.

"One of them came to me and confronted me about my tattoo. Soon they surrounded us and threatened to skin my leg and remove the tattoo," Mr Gordon told Indian media on Sunday.

It was reported the group quickly grew to over 25 men who blocked them from exiting the restaurant.

"A policeman arrived and said this is India and one couldn't sport such a tattoo on the leg," Mr Gordon told local media.
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Beautiful, Sydney.

The Lights of Christmas.
 
As I said to VC in the Racism thread
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=14057&page=13&p=892547&viewfull=1#post892547

Well in my view, your indoctrination in schools is more damaging to children, than Christmas songs.
So I disagree.

black is white, a man is a woman, an orange is a tomato, a triangle is a square, in this double speak.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/for...689#post887689

Transgender father Stefonknee Wolschtt leaves family in Toronto to start new life as six-year-old girl

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tart-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

Chaos in Australian Education
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25851
 
Tink said:
As I said to VC in the Racism thread
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=14057&page=13&p=892547&viewfull=1#post892547

Well in my view, your indoctrination in schools is more damaging to children, than Christmas songs.
So I disagree.

black is white, a man is a woman, an orange is a tomato, a triangle is a square, in this double speak.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/for...689#post887689

Transgender father Stefonknee Wolschtt leaves family in Toronto to start new life as six-year-old girl

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tart-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

Chaos in Australian Education
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25851
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So what exactly is the indoctrination you are saying I am in favour, try to use your words rather than an avalanche of irrelevant links.
 
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=14&p=894817&viewfull=1#post894817


From the Christmas thread.....

Shows how much you know, they don't deny help, unlike the atheist countries, like China, North Korea.

Yes, the Christian teachings that have inspired all these things in the West, including the Rule of Law, Life and Liberty, etc.

From that God you hate, and Christianity that you are trying to persecute, and shut down.

Sound familiar?

You know what happens when a nation forgets about God, dismantles the rule of law, and takes on board the scientific revolution of survival of the fittest?
 
Tink said:
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...=25726&page=14&p=894817&viewfull=1#post894817


From the Christmas thread.....

Shows how much you know, they don't deny help, unlike the atheist countries, like China, North Korea.

Yes, the Christian teachings that have inspired all these things in the West, including the Rule of Law, Life and Liberty, etc.

From that God you hate, and Christianity that you are trying to persecute, and shut down.

Sound familiar?

You know what happens when a nation forgets about God, dismantles the rule of law, and takes on board the scientific revolution of survival of the fittest?
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Tink, I don't hate your God, I just don't believe it exists, there is a big difference there, and I am happy for you to worship this imaginary friend, I just don't want you to force it on others.

There are plenty of situations where religious charities have denied help to gay couples, the Salvation Army and world vision have been in hot water for this, the secular charities don't do such things, Christian charities have also caused AIDS to be spread in Africa by telling people condoms are a sin.

Tink, laws existed before Christianity, where ever groups of humans lived together they created rules and codes of conduct, it's not a religious thing it's a practical thing.

Survival of the fittest has nothing to do with how we should construct our society, it's a description of how natural selection works, just because we believe natural selection is the best explanation of how we evolved doesn't mean that's how we want to design our society.
 
I have already told you ---- our LAWS are based on RELIGION.
Unless you have intentions of dismantling the LAW, then our Christian religion is in your life daily.

Has the education department dumbed people down that much that they don't know their own history?
No wonder history can be repeated.

As for sounding familiar, that is what happens when you get a TYRANT in like Hitler, that dismantles the LAW.
His hate for God, and Christianity was all it took.
 
Tink said:
I have already told you ---- our LAWS are based on RELIGION.
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Which laws?

Can you name some?


Has the education department dumbed people down that much that they don't know their own history?
No wonder history can be repeated.
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All sorts of crazy things are part of our history, you keep the good and get rid of the bad.

I mean the catholic church used to burn people alive for simply not believing in the same god, do you still want this to be done? I hope not, no doubt you are happy to drop that.

As for sounding familiar, that is what happens when you get a TYRANT in like Hitler, that dismantles the LAW.
His hate for God, and Christianity was all it took
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He didn't hate god, he hated the Jews, which was a hang up from the catholic teachings over the centuries, Hitler was raised in your club, not mine.

our LAWS are based on RELIGION
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Why do you want laws anyway? what good are they?
 
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