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It Constantly amazes me the lengths Christians go to rationalise their bible.

Listen to this try and explain why the bible talks about fire breathing dragons existing, he tries to claim they are dinosaurs they are talking about, and say that man walked with dinosaurs.

 
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SirRumpole said:
She gave one example of a pro-life (anti abortion) campaigner being denied entry into Australia.

Do you agree with that ?
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I asked for an example of how Tink's free speech was being denied.

But, on the topic of the pro-life campaigner, why was she/he denied entry to Australia? what was the actual reason given?

Being denied entry to a foreign is not a denial of free speech. Plenty of people get denied for all sorts of reasons.

Me refusing to let you on my property is not me taking away your rights to free speech.
 
Value Collector said:
Is your memory that short? I have been pointing a few of them out to you.

Slippery slope, appeals to popularity, straw man just to name a few of your favourites.
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Slippery slope argument is not necessarily fallacial.

If we wanted to deregulate the banking industry the argument that it may lead to more bank failures could be labelled as slippery slope, but evidence suggests that it's a valid argument.

Popularity ? Overall when you have a large section of the community agreeing with something that means the argument is valid at the time if people have all the evidence.

Straw man ? Such as ?

Such as?
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Your notion that just because someone is a member of a minority they must be right or equal in all regards and they therefore shouldn't be criticised in case their feelings are hurt or that they are above the lower human characteristics that the rest of us have.

This is evidenced in a number of your posts.

I'm sure you are trying to do the right thing by minorities as you see it, but your political correctness sometimes gets in the way of clear thinking.
 
SirRumpole said:
This country is not your property.

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Gee, you don't seem to understand analogies, the Australian Government is within its rights to deny entry to people, and when they do that's not stopping freedom of speech, around the same time they denied entry to the singer Chris Brown due to his domestic Violence history, that is not a denial of free speech either.

Some people may want to hear what this person says and make up their own minds
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Cool, they can always travel to him or listen to podcasts, read articles, watch you tube videos or the 100's of other ways we can communicate these days.

But I asked you why he was denied, do you know why?

In the past he has called for people to execute abortion doctors, that's why he was denied.
 
Value Collector said:
In the past he has called for people to execute abortion doctors, that's why he was denied.
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He questioned why abortion doctors were not executed, ie by the State for murder. That's different from calling for hit men to do it.

Anyway, if he hasn't committed a crime then whether or not you agree with his views shouldn't prevent him coming here.
 
SirRumpole said:
Slippery slope argument is not necessarily fallacial.

If we wanted to deregulate the banking industry the argument that it may lead to more bank failures could be labelled as slippery slope, but evidence suggests that it's a valid argument.


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No, because the banking industry has regulation which was put in place to stop banking failures, So it is not a slippery slope argument to say removing will make failures more likely.

The slippery slope argument would be "If we remove banking regulation, next thing the banks will want to remove regulation on wages and we don't want to get rid of minimum wages so we can't remove regulation>

this is what you do with gay marriage, you have actually said you aren't really against them marrying, you just don't want them to have children, that's like you saying you aren't against deregulation, you just don't want to lose the minimum wage.


Popularity ? Overall when you have a large section of the community agreeing with something that means the argument is valid at the time if people have all the evidence.
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No, the popularity doesn't at all affect the validity, eg was the world flat when the majority believed it was? they would have given you all sorts of phony logic to prove their position which would have sound ok at the time, but they were wrong, and Aristarchus was right, even though a plebiscite would have went against him.

Straw man ? Such as ?
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The way you often misrepresent my arguments, you attempt to rebuild the argument in a way to make it easier to attack, so you end up not attacking may actual point, but rather a straw man.

Your notion that just because someone is a member of a minority they must be right or equal in all regards and they therefore shouldn't be criticised in case their feelings are hurt or that they are above the lower human characteristics that the rest of us have.
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See, this is a straw man argument. I have never said anything like that. you have dressed up a straw man, tried to put similar clothing on it and are punching it, rather than attack me.
 
Value Collector said:
See, this is a straw man argument. I have never said anything like that. you have dressed up a straw man, tried to put similar clothing on it and are punching it, rather than attack me.
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Well, people can mean things without saying them.

You could apparently read my mind when you pulled out of the gay parenting debate after accusations which you never bothered substantiating, so is that a straw man ?
 
It's like watching a train wreck trying to phoenix in the little engine that could :D
 
SirRumpole said:
Well, people can mean things without saying them.

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Yes, but nothing I have said ever, gives the impression that the straw man you just used is what I actually feel or support.

You could apparently read my mind when you pulled out of the gay parenting debate after accusations which you never bothered substantiating, so is that a straw man
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Its not a straw man argument, because I wasn't using it as an argument, It was a reason that I gave why I wanted to end the discussion because I have a strong suspicion that your feelings on that topic are based on some other discriminatory beliefs which you hold, so there was no value to be gained in continuing the discussion, which had become circular at that point anyway, with you constantly referring back to your slippery slope reasoning.
 
SirRumpole said:
She gave one example of a pro-life (anti abortion) campaigner being denied entry into Australia.
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Any way, Back to the free speech claim.

Can you now see that it is not a restriction of free speech.

The government has the right to block entry to anyone seen as a threat, and this would include an abortion campaigner who has said people should execute abortion doctors.

Free speech, doesn't mean we have to let everyone into the country that requests to enter.
 
Value Collector said:
Its not a straw man argument, because I wasn't using it as an argument, It was a reason that I gave why I wanted to end the discussion because I have a strong suspicion that your feelings on that topic are based on some other discriminatory beliefs which you hold, so there was no value to be gained in continuing the discussion, which had become circular at that point anyway, with you constantly referring back to your slippery slope reasoning.
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One thing I'll say for you is that your reasoning is extremely manoeuverable.
 
Value Collector said:
The government has the right to block entry to anyone seen as a threat, and this would include an abortion campaigner who has said people should execute abortion doctors.
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Maybe so, what do you think about this bloke ?

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