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A conundrum. If God exists then he created the Cheetah and the Antelope, one designed to catch the other and the other to evade being caught. So does he enjoy blood sports then?

I suppose that, fortunately, not all antelopes get eaten and God designed the whole creation including the food chain but possibly the point is that for biblical literalism there was no carnivorous food chain until after the fall. The lion and antelope coexisted side by side and used to sit around the waterhole together at night singing kumbayah.
 
burglar said:
If you, or I, was to find ourselves not provoking readers into an emotional response,
either accidentally or with the deliberate intent,
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then we shouldn't be here.
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Well, he's shown his true colours by introducing personal insults and I thought you'd be a bit more discerning in who you supported, but if you want to see him to take the thread down that path then you disappoint me.
 
Chris45 said:
Well, he's shown his true colours by introducing personal insults and I thought you'd be a bit more discerning in who you supported, but if you want to see him to take the thread down that path then you disappoint me.
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Is he sowing seeds of discord?

If so, he is a naughty lill troll! ;)

If your on a soccer field, and have no intent to play the ball, you should not be there.
That is my view.

As for the path of the thread, I invite you to read from the first post.
But that is just being silly, cos I know you have been here from the start.

You have enjoyed the good bits, cringed at the bad bits. As have I!

@V@
 
And we wonder why the public schools are a mess .....

Yes, good on you, spooly :xyxthumbs thanks for sharing.
 
Judd said:
A conundrum. If God exists then he created the Cheetah and the Antelope, one designed to catch the other and the other to evade being caught. So does he enjoy blood sports then?
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An often asked question, "Why did god create predators?".

If you were a master creator and you designed an ecosystem to be self-sustaining so that you didn't have to continually micromanage it, and you designed all animals to be herbivores, with no predators, can you see a problem with that design?
 
Value Collector said:
... Lions and tigers had a common ancestor because they are both still cats, there was no change in "Kinds" ...
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Male Lions and Female Tigers mate to produce Ligers:

liger.jpg
Is that a change in "Kinds"?


Male Tigers and Female Lions mate to produce Tigons:

tigon.jpg
Is that a change in "Kinds"?








Yes Chris45, it is sexist, but I am just following the protocol!
 
Chris45 said:
Well, he's shown his true colours by introducing personal insults and I thought you'd be a bit more discerning in who you supported, but if you want to see him to take the thread down that path then you disappoint me.
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I called you a douche, because your remarks remind me of so many of the ignorant racist types, when you said " if they dont like they can go elsewhere",

You also made a comment saying " they can go to a Muslim country", the fact that you seem to think that you have some right to force your religion over all others, and take peoples religious freedoms away angers me, so i lashed out and called you a douche ( which is not that bad)

I am an atheist, but i take religious freedom seriously, what you have to understand is me saying there should be no dominate religion in public schools is not me taking your rights away, i am protecting everyones rights to freedom of religion, i would defend your right to not have Islam pushed on you also.
 
Chris45 said:
You sound very much like a troll.
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Besides calling you a douche in one post, out of the other 100 posts, what have i done to make you think i am a troll.

Just because i dont agree you should be able to dominate every one with your religion, does not make me a troll.
 
According to my dictionary the noun "troll" may be defined as "a friendly dwarf" or "a catch or glee".

The verb "troll" is given as "to sing merrily" or "to fish by drawing a baited hook through the water".

The noun "douche" is given as "a stream of water".

Which leads me to wonder has someone been trolling the douche?
If so did they catch anything?
Was the douche entertained?
 
cynic said:
+1
Unfortunately, as we both know, some individuals have arrogantly abused the art of science in the vain hope of expunging their personal insecurity.
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Agree, cynic, and this is the rubbish that our public schools are full of, hysteria.
 
Well, VC, maybe you should put down that crack pot Dawkins book, and do a little bit of study, and have a look at just how much religion/Christianity has given to society, our world that we live in.

While you sit and reap the benefits of what it has contributed in society, you don't think there is a place for religion in schools?

Open your eyes and go and find out where universities come from, where the scientific method came from, and why we are a civilised nation as we are.
 
Tink said:
and have a look at just how much religion/Christianity has given to society, our world that we live in.

While you sit and reap the benefits of what it has contributed in society, you don't think there is a place for religion in schools?

Open your eyes and go and find out where universities come from, where the scientific method came from, and why we are a civilised nation as we are.
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Care to name any positive benefits of Christianity that can't be achieved in other ways tink?

As I have already said, I agree the various religions have had some positive impacts, but none of the positive impacts are owned by religion, they can all be achieved in other ways, on the contrary, religion has some terrible side effects, So it is not the best way to achieve those few good results.

Also, the benefits are not owned by Christianity, so there is no way you could justify taking away the religious rights of other groups in favour of Christianity.

But, what i fear is happening here tink, is your just looking at all the good things and saying " thats Christianity, see its good" but your ignoring all the bad stuff it has added to society, eg, stalling the progress of gay rights, stalling woman's rights, slowing the stem cell research, burning people to death in Africa, breaking up families, causing people to not accept real science, causing be to die of curable diseases etc etc etc
 
Tink said:
Well, VC, maybe you should put down that crack pot Dawkins book, and do a little bit of study, and have a look at just how much religion/Christianity has given to society, our world that we live in.

While you sit and reap the benefits of what it has contributed in society, you don't think there is a place for religion in schools?

Open your eyes and go and find out where universities come from, where the scientific method came from, and why we are a civilised nation as we are.
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Also have a look at how much killing has been done in the name of a Christian God whilst you are at it.

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Spanish Inquisition anyone?
 
burglar said:
Male Lions and Female Tigers mate to produce Ligers:


Is that a change in "Kinds"?


Male Tigers and Female Lions mate to produce Tigons:


Is that a change in "Kinds"?
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you would have to talk to the creationists, They seem to be the experts in what constitutes a "Kind"

From what I can see, the just group groups of animals they want together.

All species of cats = same kind
All species of apes = different kinds

All species of fish= same kind
All species of reptile= same kind
All species of mammals= some are same kind some are different kind.


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On the topic of hybrid animals, The fact the Tiger and the lion can breed together shows they are very close cousins and share common ancestry, but have been separated long enough to diverge into different species (because there offspring are not fertile). If you follow both of their family trees back, they would have a common ancestor that wasn't a lion or a tiger but a completely different species.

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If we evolved from chimps, why are there still chimps?

we didn't evolve from chimps, much like the lion and tiger share a common ancestor, chimps and humans share a common ancestor, we didn't evolve from them, we a cousins, we share a common ancestor.

Here is a brief video that quickly explains the ape family tree.

 
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Not as many as the atheists, like I said, hysteria.


“The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
 
Tink said:

“The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
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Do you really think those killings were in the name of atheism.

You can not possible draw a credible line from a person saying "I don't think a god exists" to that person committing genocide, each one of those cases was just mad men trying to maintain power.

There is no tenant of atheism that would inform someone's actions in a way that would lead them to commit such actions.

However, there is a direct line that can be drawn from somebody reading a bible passage that says "Thy shalt not suffer a witch to live" that can lead them directly to commit murder of someone they think is a witch. This is a problem in Africa where witch doctors and shamans are part of the local custom.

or,

Listening to a Jehovah's witness sermon about the evils of blood transfusion, so you refuse to treat your kid, or you decide to pray to cure your cancer instead of real treatment.

or

reading bible passages that are anti gay

or,

reading bible passages that say abandon your family, the list really does go on.

or,

you have long standing political troubles because of divisions down religious lines eg northern Ireland and gaza.

Do you really think there would still be trouble in northern Ireland after so many generations if the communities hadn't been divided by religion. the fact that catholics went to catholic schools on the catholic side of town and married catholics, and the protestants, went to protestant scools on the protestant side of town and married protestants, kept that conflict alive for generations. It would have fizzeled out years ago if the religious divide didn't exist.
 
Sorry Tink ... Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin were atheists. Ethnic cleansing on a massive scale by despots and megalomaniacs which were rejected by the rest of civilisation (world)

"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." Genesis 9:6

Not sure if "Killing in the name of God" has the right "ring" to it ?
 
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