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Darc Knight said:
@kahuna1
I don't have your tolerance for these people, my experience leads me to believe the only way to deal with these people lacking empathy (like VC) is harshly, that's the only way these people change. I think our justice system (eventually) agrees with me.
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Again with the insults.

What have I said that leads you to think I don’t have empathy?

I am an ethical Vegan, because I have empathy not just for humans but for animals also, that alone proves I have more empathy than most.

You just have your nose out of joint because I have pointed out that simply being Christian doesn’t automatically make you a good person.

I challenge you to link a comment I have made that shows in any way that I am a sociopath lacking empathy.
 
They usually always know if they are intelligent, if not they end up in jail, but psychopath and high iq is a scary mix.
There is plenty of nasty things we could do with hardly any chance of getting caught but do not.
Be it crime fraud tax evasion but both empathy and a system of values are the brakes
Darc Knight said:
And in certain situations they know how to thrive.
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Darc Knight said:
@kahuna1 a couple of days ago you said something, I can't find the post, but it went something like "that's what makes us human". You didn't mention it but I took it you were talking about EMPATHY. Some people lack it, a lot of them are Sociopaths/Psychopaths, whether "sucessful sociopaths" or the other ones who generally end up in Jail. But a lot of them thrive, knowing how to work the system.
I don't have your tolerance for these people, my experience leads me to believe the only way to deal with these people lacking empathy (like VC) is harshly, that's the only way these people change. I think our justice system (eventually) agrees with me.
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No, I think you agreed on his point, just not the way he went about it.
You would have to agree that there are those who practice and a large group that just preach.
 
moXJO said:
No, I think you agreed on his point, just not the way he went about it.
You would have to agree that there are those who practice and a large group that just preach.
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Not sure about your first sentence, but on your second one Yes. But those who preach without practicing can hardly be called true Christians - they are frauds, or failing to live as the New Testament teaches.

And those who live loving self sacrificing lives should not be attacked.
 
qldfrog said:
but both empathy and a system of values are the brakes
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Agreed, but religion doesn’t automatically create empathy in fact it can hinder it, because it creates “in groups” and “out groups”.

Religion can also reinforce “values” that are not good, and in some cases totally immoral or at a minimum prevent progress onto better values.
 
Darc Knight said:
And those who live loving self sacrificing lives should not be attacked.
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And I have never attacked them.

As you continually fail to see, I am simply pointing out that most Christians don’t meet your strict definition of what a Christian is.

Take a moment to actually look up what the “no true Scotsman fallacy” is, it’s a real common logical fallacy that applies to lots of areas, and you are commiting it here.

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It is also rather telling that you have gotten so emotional about it that you have attacked my character rather than my points.

You have called me a liar, a sociopath and have said I am attacking innocent good people none of which is true.

All I have done is point out a logical fallacy you were making, and give a few examples and you have flew of the handle and started throwing insults.
 
Please watch this short video that describes the fallacy.

You will see Dark Knight wanting to rule out all the examples of Christians that do things he don’t agree with is a perfect example of he no true Scotsman fallacy.

 
Value Collector said:
Please watch this short video that describes the fallacy.

You will see Dark Knight wanting to rule out all the examples of Christians that do things he don’t agree with is a perfect example of he no true Scotsman fallacy.

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Is it still valid if it plainly goes against the teachings or rules of the religion or topic at hand?
Eg:
If a Christian went against teachings and killed people in the name of Christianity.
He isn't really a Christian?

Just so I understand it better.
 
moXJO said:
Is it still valid if it plainly goes against the teachings or rules of the religion or topic at hand?
Eg:
If a Christian went against teachings and killed people in the name of Christianity.
He isn't really a Christian?

Just so I understand it better.
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There are many interpretations of the Bible, and alot of Christians don’t believe all killing is wrong.

They will agree murder is wrong, but they may agree with there death penalty and killing during war etc as being totally acceptable under Christianity.
 
Value Collector said:
There are many interpretations of the Bible, and alot of Christians don’t believe all killing is wrong.

They will agree murder is wrong, but they may agree with there death penalty and killing during war etc as being totally acceptable under Christianity.
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There are hard and fast rules to Christianity though.
Lets say I started playing soccer. And proceeded to box and knockout the ref and every player on the field. Then freely kick goals.
I'm playing soccer so I'd be classed as a soccer player. I could identify as a soccer player. But you wouldn't be accepted under the rules or other players.

On the flip side what if greater numbers accepted my method, does it then become accepted as legitimate soccer.

If there are rules, does it just become about choosing who you identify with and using the label?

I understand what you are saying in regards to interpretations though.
 
Plod, everytime VC gets proven to be lying through his teeth you jump in to deflect attention off his blatant lies.
Don't give me any of your pre-election BS "can we be friends and sort this out". Too many strikes.

He's a disgrace.
 
Interesting to point out that in the current paradigm it is completely cool to bag out Christianity.... as it should be in a free society with free speech.

...but it is hate speech to bag out Islam.

Let that sink in... again.
 
wayneL said:
Interesting to point out that in the current paradigm it is completely cool to bag out Christianity.... as it should be in a free society with free speech.

...but it is hate speech to bag out Islam.

Let that sink in... again.
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Imagine how much the BS will amplify if the Greens get more power.
 
Darc Knight said:
Not sure about your first sentence, but on your second one Yes. But those who preach without practicing can hardly be called true Christians - they are frauds, or failing to live as the New Testament teaches.

And those who live loving self sacrificing lives should not be attacked.
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Darc Knight, I am intrigued to know why you chose not to be a Christian?
 
Macquack said:
Darc Knight, I am intrigued to know why you chose not to be a Christian?
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Can't live the Creed Mate. I love a drink and a good time and I don't believe in God. But I have done a lot of volunteer work in the past. A security Mate used to "work the door" of a major inner city Church :D Didn't he cop some stick.

They are the most beautiful caring people though.
 
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