Religion IS crazy!

[SirRumpole]

If Tink were muslim, and I knew which sect/denomination of islam she was from, and that sect/denomination were guilty of the same things she's accused me of I would have said the same thing, Just replace the "Catholic Church" with which ever sect of islam she was from.

Not really the point.

You accuse the Catholic church of atrocities that happened centuries ago , but I haven't heard a word of criticism from you of the torture of two men in Indonesia for homosexuality, the beating of young girls for being along with their boyfriends, child slavery by arranged marriages which are atrocities perpetrated by Muslims today.

 

[Value Collector]

Not really the point.

You accuse the Catholic church of atrocities that happened centuries ago ,

Thats because tink is a member of that organisation, I am pointing out that she bangs on about PC more than anyone else, yet its her own organisation that does its best to suppress free speech etc, Hell they don't even want people to talk about condoms which save lives.

Do you really think I am fine with the atrocities committed by muslims???

The fact is the crimes committed by muslims is all anyone wants talk about, even to the point that the large amount of muslims that live peacefully are being attacked.

I prefer to get to the bones of the issue, which is that religion can corrupt people and makes people believe things that aren't real and that affects their actions often in negative ways.

Attacking muslims in general doesn't help, it works against us, the only solution is a dumping of religious concepts in general.

 

[Value Collector]

And you are part of the Dawkins religion.....

Hahahaha, nice deflection, you sound like a child.

 

[notting]

 

[SirRumpole]

Attacking muslims in general doesn't help,

Neither does attacking members of any other religion, in general.

You don't seem to see a difference between attacking individuals and attacking an evil ideology that they are coerced into believing.

I want to set Muslims free from the ideological chains that they have draped around them, and that means attacking what their religion does in their name. That's not attacking individuals but their religion. I see no problem with that.

 

[notting]

I want to set Muslims free from the ideological chains that they have draped around them, and that means attacking what their religion does in their name. That's not attacking individuals but their religion. I see no problem with that.

But before you do that -



Get smarter

 

[Value Collector]

Neither does attacking members of any other religion, in general.

I don't think members of any other religion are taking as much heat as muslims right now.

You don't seem to see a difference between attacking individuals and attacking an evil ideology that they are coerced into believing.

No I see the difference clearly, hence why I am on board with discussing Ideology, and even confronting the beliefs directly of the sects and individuals that hold them.

I want to set Muslims free from the ideological chains that they have draped around them, and that means attacking what their religion does in their name.

Thats the problem, most westerners treat Islam as if it is one thing, yet the are willing to accept Christianity as 10,000 different sects.

If I bring up Christian sect in Africa burning witches and killing gays, People throw that example out because "Not all christians believe that", They are willing to judge each christian sect on its merits, but with muslims they put them all in one barrel.

That's not attacking individuals but their religion. I see no problem with that.

I don't think many people bother to ask a muslim group what their beliefs are before they protest the opening of a mosque or call for "Muslims" to be banned.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I want to set Muslims free from the ideological chains that they have draped around them, and that means attacking what their religion does in their name. That's not attacking individuals but their religion. I see no problem with that.

Interestingly humans are herd animals so it will always be so (unless evolutionary change) in some form or another. Obvious reasoning for this is the apparent safety in numbers. Takes courage to break away, self assess, free think and behave as a good quality person. There is nothing after thinking stops - no hell, no heaven but they are great tools to keep the faithful in the fold. You better believe it.

 

[Value Collector]

If you look at the christian preacher and say "Oh, not all christians believe killing gays is good" but then look at the muslim and say "See this is why we need to ban muslims", something is wrong with your logic.





Most people understand all the various christian religions vary in their beliefs, but for some reason they lump all the islamic ones together.

 

[SirRumpole]

If I bring up Christian sect in Africa burning witches and killing gays, People throw that example out because "Not all christians believe that", They are willing to judge each christian sect on its merits, but with muslims they put them all in one barrel.

One Christian sect in Africa is not of the scale of whole countries that administer the atrocities of Islam.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Somalia and so on and others like Turkey that are becoming increasingly hardline.

Islam is a global threat to human rights and freedom and needs to be marginalised in this country.

 

[Wysiwyg]

People seem to choke up when asked what it is about Muslims they don't like.
Sharia law, kill the gays, stoning for infidelity, forced genital operations, no pork (halal cert. b.s.), no alcohol, females don't reveal skin in public/dressed for religion, death for apostasy, under age marriages, infiltrate free world societies.
Don't choke up, this is present day practice and incompatible with the free world.

 

[Value Collector]

Islam is a global threat to human rights and freedom and needs to be marginalised in this country.

By attacking moderate muslims, e.g. refusing them their right to build mosques, trying to ban their religious dress, making a scene about Halal foods, trying to ban muslims in general.

You are not marginalising Islam, you are marginalising everyday people who are good citizens, and making yourself look like the bad guy, which will push a certain number of people who grow up feeling like second class citizens into extremists.

Religion needs to be starved, but the Paul Hanson style of bogan attacks on muslims feeds it.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Islam is a global threat to human rights and freedom and needs to be marginalised in this country.

If not for the "law of the land" we would see the below mentioned religious ideologies practiced here. Indeed there are attempts to practice and have been exposed. Probably going on right now somewhere in Aust., not yet exposed.

 

[SirRumpole]

If not for the "law of the land" we would see the below mentioned religious ideologies practiced here. Indeed there are attempts to practice and have been exposed. Probably going on right now somewhere in Aust., not yet exposed.

Exactly. If a religion permits atrocities then the religion has a problem.

 

[SirRumpole]

Religion needs to be starved, but the Paul Hanson style of bogan attacks on muslims feeds it.

You don't starve anything by pandering it.

 

[Value Collector]

You don't starve anything by pandering it.

when have I ever suggested pandering to islam.

Exactly. If a religion permits atrocities then the religion has a problem.

Yep, but again you (and most outraged westerners) lazily lump all the Islamic religions together as if they are one religion, while being happy to treat the many different christian religions as independent religions.

 

[luutzu]

Exactly. If a religion permits atrocities then the religion has a problem.

Is there a religion that doesn't permit atrocities?

I think all of them have this thing for cruel and unusual punishments for eternity.

 

[luutzu]

One Christian sect in Africa is not of the scale of whole countries that administer the atrocities of Islam.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia, Somalia and so on and others like Turkey that are becoming increasingly hardline.

Islam is a global threat to human rights and freedom and needs to be marginalised in this country.

All religion should be marginalised. And they have in (most) democracies. Any society will be a pretty nasty place to live if it's under some religious rule, even Tibet.

Imagine if Australia is governed by Christian laws, taken out directly from the good books. We'd still be burning witches, going on crusades, and don't think any independent thought. With secularism, only two of those are still true

 

[luutzu]

Jesus H Christ. Sam Harris.

 

[SirRumpole]

when have I ever suggested pandering to islam.

You do that by remaining silent when Islamic atrocities are pointed out.

Yep, but again you (and most outraged westerners) lazily lump all the Islamic religions together as if they are one religion, while being happy to treat the many different christian religions as independent religions.

You quote one little Christian sect in Africa and ignore all the Islamic countries I quoted that enforce Sharia law, that's pretty biased imo.