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luutzu said:
8? Cutting yourself a bit short there McGee.

But man, that's one long hit list. Wondering where is Christ that one can run straight to?
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You can find him in the bible my son

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Value Collector said:
And the Qur'an.
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No you only find the earlier version of him.

IN their version he hadn't gone through the whole shape shifting and change of focus in favour of socialism by issuing a new testament of rules and regs. Obviously the Muslims hadn't kept their subscriptions up and used an outdated Standards Israel version.
 
pixel said:
nope, the Yanks made up their own versions.
lots of them
from Joseph Smith right through to L Ron Hubbard
,,, and ain't that the literary truth (as opposed to alternative facts :p )
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You know the page I lifted that from has an argument going on about the voracity of it being 1) written by Jesus his highness self, 2) written in English in the first instance and 3) written for Americans. And they are fair dinkum !!!!!!!:hilarious:
 
pixel said:
L Ron Hubbard
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There are some gems in his predominantly pulp fiction.
There are SP in society. One either avoids them or confronts them or ...
Called the “Black Panther Mechanism”, it is repeatedly described in 1950 in the original book: “Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health”.

Hubbard goes on to say: “Let us suppose that a particularly black-tempered Black Panther is sitting on the stairs and that a man named Gus is sitting in the living room. Gus wants to go to bed. But there is the Black Panther. The problem is to get upstairs. There are five things that Gus can do.” The five alternates are described as (1) ATTACK, (2) FLEE, (3) AVOID, (4) NEGLECT and (5) SUCCUMB.
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SirRumpole said:
Weren't you saying a while ago that he didn't exist ?
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I don't believe he did exist (atleast not the character as he is described in the bible)

However, if some one says you will find Darth Vader in "Star Wars - the new hope", I will probably mention you can also find him in the "Star Wars - the empire strikes back"

It doesn't mean I think Darth Vader actually exists, I am just mentioning the other works of fiction you can find his character in.
 
Tisme said:
IN their version he hadn't gone through the whole shape shifting and change of focus in favour of socialism by issuing a new testament of rules and regs.
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Did Jesus issue new rules? In the sermon on the mount he said he didn't come to change the old laws, and that none of the laws will change until judgement day.

Jesus said-"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."
 
Value Collector said:
Jesus said-"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."
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Now you are quoting the alleged sayings of a mythical being (according to you).

If you don't believe in his existence it's pretty hypocritical to give a fictional character any credence in a discussion.
 
SirRumpole said:
Now you are quoting the alleged sayings of a mythical being (according to you).

If you don't believe in his existence it's pretty hypocritical to give a fictional character any credence in a discussion.
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So it's hypocritical to talk about quotes made by fictional characters? how so?

I often hear people say "With great power, comes great responsibility." the fact that quote comes from Spider Man doesn't mean it's not true, even though spider man is fictional.

Also, if some one said spider man believed we should be irresponsible with power, I might reference the above quote, again it doesn't mean I think he is real, I am just talking about the character in his fictional universe.

We can talk about Darth Vader, Harry Potter, spider man and Jesus without believing they are true.
 
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Value Collector said:
Did Jesus issue new rules? In the sermon on the mount he said he didn't come to change the old laws, and that none of the laws will change until judgement day.

Jesus said-"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."
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He sure did...

John 13:34-35 A New Commandment (the 11th Commandment if my maths are correct)

34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

SIDE NOTE: The man you refer to as Jesus his real name was Joshua ben Joseph - a common criminal of the day.

To be honest, Joshua ben Joseph and Jesus Christ are in fact one and the same person. Joshua ben Joseph was Jesus' given name at birth, he grew up being known as Joshua (son of Joseph).

He was only later called Jesus by the Greeks, Jesus being the Greek form of Joshua.
 
Value Collector said:
So it's hypocritical to talk about quotes made by fictional characters? how so?

I often here people say "With great power, comes great responsibility." the fact that quote comes from Spider Man doesn't mean it's not true, even though spider man is fictional.

Also, if some one said spider man believed we should be irresponsible with power, I might reference the above quote, again it doesn't mean I think he is real, I am just talking about the character in his fictional universe.

We can talk about Darth Vader, Harry Potter, spider man and Jesus without believing they are true.
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Mate, your comparison isn't applicable.
A general platitude ascribed to a fictional character - like Spiderman's "With great power, comes great responsibility." or Lazarus Long's "Always store beer in a dark place." - are legit to quote because they apply to general life.
A quote by a fictional character about himself or his abilities - like Superman's "I can fly." or "Leaping tall buildings." - remains however fictitious.
 
Skate said:
A New Commandment (the 11th Commandment if my maths are correct)
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There were 613 commandments before we got to Jesus, so maybe that is the 614th commandment.

Makes me wonder why that didn't make it into the original 10, I mean they even banned eating shell fish, and wearing clothing of mixed fabrics before they got to that rule.
 
Value Collector said:
So it's hypocritical to talk about quotes made by fictional characters? how so?

I often hear people say "With great power, comes great responsibility." the fact that quote comes from Spider Man doesn't mean it's not true, even though spider man is fictional.

Also, if some one said spider man believed we should be irresponsible with power, I might reference the above quote, again it doesn't mean I think he is real, I am just talking about the character in his fictional universe.

We can talk about Darth Vader, Harry Potter, spider man and Jesus without believing they are true.
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The Bible (New & Old Testament) is fictional - they were teaching stories of the day.

But "Joshua ben Joseph" was not a fictional character he walked the earth and died a terrible death believing he had a special connection to the Almighty Father.

"Joshua ben Joseph" was delusional right up to the point of taking his last breath - screaming - "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"

Matthew 27:45 - 46
45 Now from the sixth hour darkness fell upon all the land until the ninth hour.
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'
 
pixel said:
A quote by a fictional character about himself or his abilities - like Superman's "I can fly." or "Leaping tall buildings." - remains however fictitious.
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Off course, but it doesn't mean we can't talk about them when discussing those characters.

For example if we are talking about super man,

and you say "In that situation he would have died"

and I am like "Nah, he would have just flown"

and your like "Super man can't fly"

so I say "yeah he can" and I quote various Cannon literature showing you examples where he flew and where he says he can fly.

I tink thats a justified conversation, we aren't being hypocritical (as rumpole said) we are just discussing some fictional characters, we aren't claiming they are real or anything.
 
Skate said:
The Bible (New & Old Testament) is fictional - they were teaching stories of the day.
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Agreed.

But "Joshua ben Joseph" was not a fictional character he walked the earth and died a terrible death believing he had a special connection to the Almighty Father.
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Even if there was a real guy the Jesus character was based on, it doesn't mean the Jesus Character is real.

e.g. St Nick inspired the stories of Santa Claus, But he wasn't Santa Claus from the stories people tell children (flying reindeer etc)

"Joshua ben Joseph" was delusional right up to the point of taking his last breath - screaming - "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
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I am not sure there is any evidence that any of that even happened.
 
Value Collector said:
With great power, comes great responsibility
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That quote reputedly dated from the era of the French revolution, and Churchill reputedly said it as well.

But anyway, you are cherry picking. You quote a supposedly fictitious character and say he's right and then quote him other times and say he's wrong. Pretty silly.
 
SirRumpole said:
But anyway, you are cherry picking. You quote a supposedly fictitious character and say he's right and then quote him other times and say he's wrong. Pretty silly.
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When have I ever said Jesus was right?

This conversation started because some one said you can find Jesus in the Bible, So I pointed out that you can also find him in the Qur'an.

to which you said

Weren't you saying a while ago that he didn't exist ?
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Offcourse I don't believe Jesus (the bible character who was the son of god and performed miracles) existed, other wise I wouldn't be an atheist.

Any time I quote things Jesus said or did, it is in the context of the fictional work that is the bible.

If I just point out when people misquote that fictional work, it isn't me making a claim any of it is true or real, I am often just pointing out contradictions in the story to show it's not the infallible work of a god, or that a certain persons take on the character doesn't math up to that persons origin story.
 
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