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SirRumpole said:
So what do you say about parents who send their children to religious schools knowing that their children will be subject to religious teachings ?

If freedom from religion should be a right, shouldn't that apply to children as well ?

Do we ban all religious schools (personally I would not object to this), but I doubt if that would get past the Constitution in regards to freedom of religion.
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I think religious schools should not receive government funding, that would reduce them in number.

But as for allowing children to be taught a religion, I think we have to allow it, atleast to the point where actual harm is caused to the child or the child decides they don't want it, and the school needs to maintain all the standards expected of a public school.

But I would like society to shun the teaching of religion to children, I think the only reason the religions care so much about getting into schools is that they know they have to get the superstitions instilled in the child before the age of reason.
 
Pope Francis calls out fundamentalists.
Pope Francis calls fundamentalism disease of all religions
December 2, 20153:40pm


Pope looks for inter-religious peace in troubled C.A.R.


FUNDAMENTALISM is a “disease of all religions” including the Roman Catholic Church, Pope Francis has declared in a series of rousing speechs about terrorism.

On the final leg of his first tour to Africa, the figurehead of the Roman Catholic Church dismissed the perception that violent extremists are restricted to the Islamic faith.

“We Catholics, we have a few, even many fundamentalists. They believe they know absolute truth and corrupt others,” he said.

“I can say this because this is my Church.”

He called on his Christian and Muslim “brothers and sisters” to end religious unrest.
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http://www.news.com.au/world/africa...s/news-story/aca26bfba689973e42ad9e280bd4c832
 
Now back to Christmas and the Carols, that you are trying to ban, that have been going on for centuries.
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I don't mind Children singing Christmas carols, I think a state school should pick secular versions though to avoid the pushing of one religion.

eg, ruldoph the red nosed reindeer, jingle bells etc, not the overtly religious ones.

But you are free to send your kids to a faith school if you want religious instruction.
 
This is a core problem with the preposition. If you were a Christian you would consider Jesus not only walked the walk, but also lives on in both his believers and non believers..... you are snookered anyway you try to wiggle out of it VC....you have been "pwned"!
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All you are saying here is that if I was willing to accept a religion based on bad evidence, then I would have some beliefs that are crazy.

How exactly does that "snooker me"

I have given you the information I would need to be snookered.

1, evidence of Jesus from during his life (that would snooker me on the mans existence)

2, evidence the bible claims are true ( that would snooker me on the legend)

So far there is neither.

And because you and every other heathen out there (including those that worship false prophets, icons, etc) tilt at windmills it just reinforces the great love Jesus must have in not putting his vengeful God uniform on and smiting the bejesus out of you and your Godless brethren. He allows you to be do what you do and say, because you amuse him and serve to illustrate to the believers the persona of a person who goose steps down the path to eventual perdition.... you are 4ucked VC.
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lol, so far you can't show Jesus wasn't a false prophet.

and if there was a god that cared whether I believe or not, he would know exactly the evidence I need to believe, so the fact that I am an atheist, shows that the god either doesn't care, or doesn't exist.

You know that the Mormons own the Ancestry geneology site and they are ultimately looking for the messianic gene that will not so much prove the existence of Jesus, but that the high priestess Mary Madge did have an emmaculate conception of her own, a seemingly unique family trait of the first born Carpenter family men. I would suspect they must have the original samples to be able to carry out the comparo
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Looking forward to seeing their evidence, I don't like their chances.

Plenty of organisations have spent millions trying to prove their cult is true, all have failed.

Just remember this is the crazy stuff the Mormons actually believe

 
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How exactly does that "snooker me"
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Everyone is snookered in the religion debate.

Believers will believe and not believers will not, everyone is preaching to their own "converted" audience.

Big changes in opinion over short periods of time are unrealistic, it's more likely to be constant wearing away of a stone as more people realise that religion enslaves their intellect.

Promises of good treatment in an afterlife for killing innocents is evidence that religious insanity still exists, when these sort of attacks disappear there may be some evidence that the religious grip is loosening.
 
SirRumpole said:
Believers will believe and not believers will not, .
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Belief is irrelevant, when what is being debated are facts.

Everyone should be able to answer the question "Why do you believe that?" with a good answer, faith is not a good answer, and neither is because lots of others people that or because its an old idea.
 
Value Collector said:
Everyone should be able to answer the question "Why do you believe that?" with a good answer, faith is not a good answer, and neither is because lots of others people that or because its an old idea.
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It's not a good answer for you or me, but that doesn't matter, the people who have "faith" don't care what you or I think.
 
SirRumpole said:
It's not a good answer for you or me, but that doesn't matter, the people who have "faith" don't care what you or I think.
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And that's fine for them, I support their right to live in ignorance, But we shouldn't allow them to force their ignorance on our government or schools, and when they say stupid things we should point out where they are making logical fallacies rather than give them respect and say their ideas are equal to scientific facts, or give them a higher place in society than they disserve.
 
Value Collector said:
And that's fine for them, I support their right to live in ignorance, But we shouldn't allow them to force their ignorance on our government or schools, and when they say stupid things we should point out where they are making logical fallacies rather than give them respect and say their ideas are equal to scientific facts, or give them a higher place in society than they disserve.
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They allow you your say, but of course their (Christian) politeness is pure patronisation without condescension.... you are their biatch because you haven't walked the path, seen the light and taken Jesus into your bosom.
 
Tisme said:
.... you are their biatch because you haven't walked the path, seen the light and taken Jesus into your bosom.
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Hahahaha, neither have they, they have just convinced themselves into thinking they have.

You could say that for any religion switch the word "Jesus" in you sentence for "Muhammad" and see how silly your sentence sounds, because that's what it sounds like to me.

You can really switch it for any of the superstitions, lucky Rabbits foot, lucky underpants or "The secret" etc

I would prefer to live life in reality, I don't need an imaginary friend, I support your right to have one though, But if you want to talk about him in public just remember most of us think you are crazy.
 
This is how it should be done. Boot the Bible (and even Koran), out of politics....


Mayor Swears In, But Not On the Bible​


FRANKLIN, N.C. -- Bob Scott has taken plenty of oaths in his decades of public service. He served in the Army as a public affairs officer, and flew many years with the Civil Air Patrol before spending ten years on the Franklin Board of Alderman. And all those times, he was sworn in the same way.

"Oh I always used a Bible, it was just sort of the customary thing," said Scott.
But before he took the oath of office for his second term as mayor of the town of Franklin this week, he'd been thinking of holding a different 'book' in his hand.

"I've thought about it for a long time," said Scott. "But I was talking to Summer [Franklin Town Manager] the other day and said I'm thinking about taking this oath on the Constitution. I realized we are taking an oath to defend the Constitution, pure and simple, and those are the laws of the land. And if I'm gonna give an oath, that's what I'm giving an oath to. It had nothing to do with religion--for or against--just swearing to protect and defend the Constitution."

"We do not represent any religion, what we represent are the laws of the land," Scott said. "As far as I'm concerned, there is no place in government for religion. I'm a secularist in that respect. I just don't think there's a place for any kind of religious doctrine in government, because we represent everybody."
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DB008 said:
This is how it should be done. Boot the Bible (and even Koran), out of politics....


Mayor Swears In, But Not On the Bible​





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Australia has a secular constitution, as does the USA, but it hasn't stopped the catholics taking over the Liberal and Labor Parties here in a generation and I doubt it will stop the American Anglicans (evangelists) from appealing to the public for election either. You only have to look at the power brokers in the USA politics to know there are a lot of Jews in support roles.

Religion will also win out until the next war comes along
 
SirRumpole said:
You wouldn't think it about the USA, for God and country and all that stuff.
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That's why secular organisation have been successfully suing state government and getting them to remove religious monuments such as the ten commandments that were placed in front of many court houses in the 50's when the USA went all religion crazy, in the face of the godless communists.

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And when States refuse to remove the religious monuments, then in the name of freedom of religion, the groups are trying to force the government to allow them to install a satanic monument, seems like a fun game.

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