Religion IS crazy!

[Value Collector]

Is it just me or does the Satanists Tenets seem a lot more reasonable than the tenets of Christianity.


Tenets

There are seven fundamental tenets.
•One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
•The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
•One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
•The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
•Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
•People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
•Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word

 

[SirRumpole]

That's why secular organisation have been successfully suing state government and getting them to remove religious monuments such as the ten commandments that were placed in front of many court houses in the 50's when the USA went all religion crazy, in the face of the godless communists.

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And when States refuse to remove the religious monuments, then in the name of freedom of religion, the groups are trying to force the government to allow them to install a satanic monument, seems like a fun game.

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That's getting a bit silly imo. It's like IS destroying all the Islamic monuments that don't suit their ideology, ie trying to erase history.

Like it or not religion is part of the history of the US and other countries, it's ridiculous to pretend it didn't happen. Would you want to tear down St Paul's cathedral or the Pyramids ?

 

[SirRumpole]

Is it just me or does the Satanists Tenets seem a lot more reasonable than the tenets of Christianity.


Tenets

What is your source for that ?


Is that the complete list or are there things about loyalty to Satan like there is loyalty to God in the Bible and Koran ?

There are lots of "tenets" in the Bible, Koran, Buddhism that you could live by and live a good life without the religious baggage that goes with it.

In which case there needs to be no reference to supernatural Deities and it wouldn't really matter which ones you followed as long as they did not infringe on the rights of others.

 

[Value Collector]

What is your source for that ?


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From the Satantic temple website.

http://thesatanictemple.com/about-us/tenets

Is that the complete list or are there things about loyalty to Satan like there is loyalty to God in the Bible and Koran ?

That's the complete list, 7 fundamental tenets

There are lots of "tenets" in the Bible, Koran, Buddhism that you could live by and live a good life without the religious baggage that goes with it.

Yeah, but those good things are secular concepts, so why worry about the Religion in the first place.

If you want peanuts, buy a packet of peanuts, don't buy a tonne of elephant poo just to pick out some nuts.
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By the way the "Santanic temple" is actually a satire religion, its a group of atheists using it as a platform to defend religious freedom in the USA, and try and prevent Christian Conservatives making the government more religious.

 

[SirRumpole]

By the way the "Santanic temple" is actually a satire religion, its a group of atheists using it as a platform to defend religious freedom in the USA, and try and prevent Christian Conservatives making the government more religious.

There are actually people around that take that sort of thing seriously,human sacrifice etc.

If you want atheism fine, why bring Satan into it ? It seems that atheists can't get their message across without a god of their own.

As you said, "if you want peanuts, buy peanuts..."

 

[Value Collector]

There are actually people around that take that sort of thing seriously,human sacrifice etc.

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Really, do you have a link to that.

If you want atheism fine, why bring Satan into it ? It seems that atheists can't get their message across without a god of their own.

Keep in mind this isn't "Atheists" its a relatively small group, and they are doing it to show how crazy it is to allow government to get involved in religion.

They have already successfully prevented religious monuments being built of government land, due to the fact that if the government knew they would have to allow a satanic monument also, its a bit of shock and awe tactic

As you said, "if you want peanuts, buy peanuts

I do, I am not a member of the satanic temple. but if people want to throw elephant poo, sometimes you have to threaten to throw it back that's their point.

if you want to put up a Christian monument on the lawn of the city hall, they want to put a satanic one.

If you want to hand out Christian bibles, they want to hand out their satanic literature.

 

[Value Collector]

As you said, "if you want peanuts, buy peanuts

Satire is a valid form of protest sometimes. It can show the ridiculous side of another group, and if nothing else it can be funny.

for example the Pastafarians, Worshippers of the flying spaghetti monster that need to where a colander on their head for their licence photos.

 

[SirRumpole]

Pastafarians ?

Yes they look like a bunch of meatballs.

Saucy though.

They should use their noodles more.

I could wrap them around my fork.

How's that for satire ?

 

[Value Collector]

Pastafarians ?

Yes they look like a bunch of meatballs.

Saucy though.

They should use their noodles more.

I could wrap them around my fork.

How's that for satire ?

“In the Name of the Pasta, and of the Sauce, and of the Holy Meatballs, may his noodlely appendage touch you,.... Ramen ”

On a serious note though, if the Flying Spaghetti monster doesn't exist, where do the bread sticks come from,.......Check Mate Christians.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

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[bellenuit]

IS mutilate and kill mum in broad daylight for breastfeeding in public

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...c/news-story/d334f03cd1684da0f8e1d10a453009c6

What I find frightening is that we are constantly being told that if we in the West criticise Islam and its tenets, whether justifiably or not, we are assisting ISIS in their recruitment of Muslims within our society. It will result in many young Muslims deciding to join the faction.

What kind of mentality must these young people already have that just hearing discussion of religious argument could tip them so easily into joining a faction that could do such atrocities. And there did they get such a mentality from?

 

[Tisme]

. And there did they get such a mentality from?

Rote learners, no analytical skillset..... dumb and dumbers of the human race.

 

[SirRumpole]

And there did they get such a mentality from?

From their parents unfortunately. Maybe not directly but being a Muslim is the first step to being a radical.

 

[luutzu]

IS mutilate and kill mum in broad daylight for breastfeeding in public

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wor...c/news-story/d334f03cd1684da0f8e1d10a453009c6

What I find frightening is that we are constantly being told that if we in the West criticise Islam and its tenets, whether justifiably or not, we are assisting ISIS in their recruitment of Muslims within our society. It will result in many young Muslims deciding to join the faction.

What kind of mentality must these young people already have that just hearing discussion of religious argument could tip them so easily into joining a faction that could do such atrocities. And there did they get such a mentality from?

Unless you have an intellectual discussion on Islam or religion, it's best not to criticise other people's religion. No one like to be criticised, and making fun of their faith and mocking their god is really asking for it.

Even VC wouldn't, I guess, could be wrong... but even he wouldn't criticise and poke holes into Christianity and other religion in front of their followers - it's just not polite, and no body asks you what yo think of their religion

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So why does criticising and loathing ISIS is the same as criticising Islam? That's like saying the KKK is what Christianity is all about; or point to racists White Southerners in the US back then lynching a black person and bring the entire town and family for a picnic and a viewing, that that's what Christians and Western civilisation is.

I've heard that ISIS is not one united group we're made to believe. They're a bunch of groups with differing interests, and the crazy religious among them - the ones that get all the attention, they're actually a minority.

The other allies to ISIS, or is ISIS depends on who you ask I guess... they're secular, former Saddam Hussein military officers who were left in the cold and want to redraw the map and set up a state of their own - beats starving to death I supposed.

Russia and Assad are also fighting ISIS; the alliance of the willing are also fighting ISIS; ISIS is probably also fighting ISIS... So last man standing is not ISIS.

 

[SirRumpole]

Even VC wouldn't, I guess, could be wrong... but even he wouldn't criticise and poke holes into Christianity and other religion in front of their followers - it's just not polite, and no body asks you what yo think of their religion

Haaaaahhhhhh !!!

 

[luutzu]

Haaaaahhhhhh !!!

oi. Taken out of context.

I did say "unless" he or others are having an intellectual discussion or debate. And laughing at them inside his head doesn't count

My mother in law had this Feng Shui Master (who runs a Charcoal Chicken and Fish'n'Chip shop up in Queensland) .. .the master came over to feng shui the entire place and I ask a few questions about this art.

The guy later told her, with me there, that I know a lot about Feng Shui (which I do because my parents were.. .hmmm... nuts about it when I was drawing their house up, which also drove me nuts)... anyway, the guy said that if he wasn't skilled I would have seen through him and wouldn't respect him at all.

I have to run out of the room to laugh out loud.

Ah, what a wasted $250. Maybe was worth it since the parents sleep better and I had a good laugh.

See, there are social etiquette.

 

[bellenuit]

And a new generation is prepared to fight for Allah.......

Passerby Scolds Sheik for Teaching Martyrdom to Children at Al-Aqsa Mosque Summer Camp

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5020.htm

 

[DB008]

Religious delusions are destroying us: “Nothing more than
man-made contrivances of domination and submission”​

The year just past was, for rationalists, an unremitting annus horribilis. It leaves us with little reason to think 2016 will be much better.

But first, a digression.

If a close friend of yours told you he was feeling out of sorts and planning to go have a hole bored through his skull – an ancient procedure known as trepanation, once regarded as therapeutic for a number of ills – what would you do? You would explain to him that no evidence exists to recommend this, that medical science long ago discredited the gory practice. So no drilling through the cranium for him.

If, however, he were to accept your argument and desist from trepanation, yet instead choose to visit the local lobotomist for relief, you would have to urge him to refrain once again, as no evidence justifies lobotomies, once thought curative for various mental disorders, either. So no ice-pick up the eye socket for him.

In both cases, you would have saved your friend from unnecessary brain damage and pointless emotional duress, and would deserve his gratitude. Switching from bale to bane would have done him no good.

Yet attempt to disabuse aficionados of the brain-warping faiths in the name of which so much blood has been and is being spilled, and so much unnecessary anguish forced on so many innocents, and they will quite likely shower you with abuse, calling you an agent of Satan, morally deficient, intolerant, or just plain disrespectful. Worse, If Islam is the faith in question, a contingent of witless liberals (themselves not believers) would join in, crowing about “Islamophobia” and racism, though Islam is not a race, but a hallowed ideology with universal pretensions and followers of every skin color. The result: Religion – which is to say, a construct of comprehensive, evidence-free propositions about our universe and mankind, entertained with often fanatical certitude – enjoys, even in 2016, undeserved respect, tax exemptions costing government coffers $71 billion annually, and even a place of honor on our currency. In the world’s first secular republic, this is an outrage.

All religions are nothing more than man-made contrivances of domination and submission, exploited by humans for mundane ends, and accoutered with sundry superstitious rituals meant to ensure tribal loyalty and generate animosity toward outsiders. Long before we in the West knew of faith-sanctioned female genital mutilation or the hurling of gays from rooftops, Shakespeare declared, “What damned error but some sober brow/will bless it and approve it with a text/hiding the grossness with fair ornament.” And remember: the “damned errors” and “grossness” are all for naught. Religion is a lie, and those who profess it, dupes of the lie.

More on link below....

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/03/religious_delusions_are_destroying_us_nothing_more_than_man_made_contrivances_of_domination_and_submission/​

 

[bellenuit]

Pakistani boy cuts off own hand after blasphemy mistake: police

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistani-boy-cuts-off-own-hand-blasphemy-mistake-142348551.html

 

[DB008]

Bill aiming to ban child marriages shot down​

ISLAMABAD:
Another move to ban child marriages in Pakistan has fallen at the first hurdle. The bill to prohibit underage marriages has been withdrawn after the Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) declared it un-Islamic.

The National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony rejected the Child Marriage Restraint (Amendment) Bill 2014 after the CII dubbed it ‘anti-Islamic’ and ‘blasphemous’.

The committee meeting, which was presided over by its Chairman Hafiz Abdul Karim, unanimously rejected the bill on ‘purely religious grounds’. Afterwards, PML-N’s Marvi Memon also withdrew her proposal.

The proposed legislation had recommended harsher punishments for those entering conjugal contracts with minors.

Last week, lawmakers in the Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly had also blocked a bill seeking ban on child marriages over similar concerns.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1027742/settled-matter-bill-aiming-to-ban-child-marriages-shot-down/​