Pub "Glassings" - Another Gen Y Phenomenon?

[Mofra]

Re: Pub "Glassings" - Another Gen y Phenomenon ?

I didn't suggest that is was an Australian thing, seems like the unrest is global.

Are there any reports of glassings in Australia outside of NSW?
For all the talk of drunken violence in Melbourne, I haven't seen a fight for years. Perhaps only certain nightspots (ie anywhere that plays top 40 hits, and is frequented by guys who wear polo shirts with the coller turned up) that are having the problems with crowd violence (including glassings).

 

[Julia]

Tax the crap out of grog not just alco pops and then the brainless dickheads who get ripped and attack people will have to find another hobby.

I completely disagree. That would be yet another example of (a) a revenue grab by the government who already rake in quite enough tax from us, and (b) penalising the majority of the population who use alcohol sensibly.

I am utterly fed up with law upon law catering for the very small proportion of people who behave badly. Much better to punish them severely.
We have enough of a nanny state as it is, without adding even more legislation. The more you treat people as being irresponsible, the more they will fulfil that expectation.

 

[Mofra]

Much better to punish them severely.
We have enough of a nanny state as it is, without adding even more legislation. The more you treat people as being irresponsible, the more they will fulfil that expectation.

Have to agree with this - most young offenders get a bond and community service which is a joke, supposed community service activities seem to be cleaning "litter" where the supervisor can't control the groups of offenders who skive off and smoke whilst they are meant to be working.
Violent offenders (drunken violence) should be made to experience the after effects of their actions: show them a hospital emergency depatment on a Friday or Saturday night; drink drivers should work closely with road accident victims.

The only way we can change the behaviour of some people is to involve them in the after effects of their behavior to demonstrate the consequences of their behavior. The slap on the wrist approach so far has achieved little.

 

[roland]

I completely disagree. That would be yet another example of (a) a revenue grab by the government who already rake in quite enough tax from us, and (b) penalising the majority of the population who use alcohol sensibly.

I am utterly fed up with law upon law catering for the very small proportion of people who behave badly. Much better to punish them severely.
We have enough of a nanny state as it is, without adding even more legislation. The more you treat people as being irresponsible, the more they will fulfil that expectation.

Here, here Julia - just the exact sort of intelligent response I've come to expect from you

I think we need to put in some fear of authority for people doing the obvious wrong things. The way our police are snubbed and abused just shows how little respect some now have for the protectors of our community. It actually goes further than the public social space - even in schools, our teachers are treated like crap and there is no discipline in the classroom. Some parents have lost control in the same manner and the kids take refuge in the communications of the internet and mobile phones in some clandestein collaboration against discipline and authority.

 

[MrBurns]

I completely disagree. That would be yet another example of (a) a revenue grab by the government who already rake in quite enough tax from us, and (b) penalising the majority of the population who use alcohol sensibly..

It's not about revenue it's about making large amounts of grog harder to get.

If you use alcohol sensibly you won't be paying much extra now will you.

 

[2020hindsight]

If you use alcohol sensibly you won't be paying much extra now will you.

reminds me of the arguments against RBT testing - "all the pubs will go broke etc etc"

and how many lives have we saved since that came in ...

 

[roland]

reminds me of the arguments against RBT testing - "all the pubs will go broke etc etc"

and how many lives have we saved since that came in ...

All of these solutions assume that the glasser needs to be drunk. I suspect the kind of person that smashes a glass into someone's face wouldn't necessarily need much provocation - be it alcohol or some other excuse.

 

[Julia]

It's not about revenue it's about making large amounts of grog harder to get.

You are pretty naive if you imagine making alcohol more expensive will be a deterrent to the idiots you are talking about.

If you use alcohol sensibly you won't be paying much extra now will you.

Absolutely not the point. Why should any ordinary, reasonable person be paying any more in order to create a perception that "something is being done" to curb stupid and violent behaviour? It makes no sense.

Handing out serious punishment to the offenders is far more logical and far more likely to be a deterrent.

 

[nick2fish]

Tax the crap out of grog not just alco pops and then the brainless dickheads who get ripped and attack people will have to find another hobby.

Brainless dickheads will always find money,to drink, no matter what the price Thats why they are brainless

Lets find another way of solving our social ills than taxing the sh*t out of everyone.

I know.... how about Law and Order or is'nt that in the budget again this year?

 

[2020hindsight]

Lets find another way of solving our social ills than taxing the sh*t out of everyone.

I know.... how about Law and Order or is'nt that in the budget again this year?

lol
well it won;t be in the budget unless we get some taxes in.

 

[MrBurns]

I think the people who do this are certainly and without exception drunk or drugged.

It will stop the idiots because they wont be able to afford to get drunk, they will be able to afford to drink but not the get drunk.

Just got back from Europe, no drunks there, they cant afford it. You can walk the streets of Rome no problems, yes there is crime but not drunken fools out of control.

Yes it would be good if the law had some balls, they just let these creeps go with a slap on the wrist, it suprises me there are not more cases of retibution by relatives and friends.

I'm personaly disgusted with the legal system.

Non of this will happen and someone will go to jail at some stage for doing what the law won't.

 

[nick2fish]

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lol
well it won;t be in the budget unless we get some taxes in.

I go to work get paid then part with 30% to pay tax go and fill up the car so I can go to work pay some more tax
buy a bottle of wine so I can face work pay more tax........... Wheres that glass?

 

[2020hindsight]

well nick,
You get a reduction in income tax commitment - you drink sensibly, you still come out ahead

I'm guessing that the cost to society due to alcohol is pretty massive....
hospitals, accidents, fights, wrecked lives, marriages, brains, unrealised potential, lost workdays, sickleave, etc - ..... It comes back to "user pays" (sorta)

I wouldn't be an ambo for quids for instance ...

I could talk about more obtuse effects - the inability of partners to just "know" and "trust" this person that they thought they knew before the grog took over.

PS But I was probably heading into that argument of taxing thinking of how the Fed govt could extricate themselves from the situation where taxes have been imposed on alcopops for a month or two, but now it's not gonna make it through the senate it seems etc. - only way out I see is to tax the lot.

PS Like the luxury car tax going up from 25% to 33% for the amount above $57K. A new car that costs (on road) about $60K has no LCT whatsoever - so there will be no increase. A new car that costs (on road) about $120K will have about $3K extra LCT.

Pro-rata, ....
a new car that costs on road about $70K will have about $500 extra LCT.
and
a new car that costs on road about $80K will have about $1000 extra LCT
and
a new car that costs on road about $90K will have about $1500 extra LCT
etc.

So back to that $70K car.... Averaged over 10 years $50 per year. say $1.00 per week, or a fraction of the extra petrol they have to put in the thing anyway.

Imo, these budget decisions often end up as ... "It doesn't matter what you decide, as long as you decide something". "And get on with it". I mean , the govt have to get tax somewhere - in order to improve education and health (and etc etc). So where else can you collect tax better than with luxury cars? I just can't believe that someone who can afford a $70K car cares that much about $1.00 per week. - or rather that they would carry on like Nelson does over the matter.

 

[Pat]

Handing out serious punishment to the offenders is far more logical and far more likely to be a deterrent.

Totally agree, a mate of mine was glassed with a vodka bottle when he was younger, the offender was given 5 yrs (I think it was 5 yrs, maybe 2 yrs?) probation.
Not good enough IMO, I think in lot of cases, the law is to lenient.

 

[xoa]

More sensationalism...

In my suburb back in the early 90's, I remember there were discarded needles everywhere, people would yell and spit out of cars, it wasn't uncommon to see people fist fighting outside bars. Most of that has dissipated now that "Generation X" have put away their Nirvana cassettes and assumed their new "learned elder" persona.

 

[Kauri]

all Glaases, Bar stools, Pool ques, Platic plates, Ash trays, Burps, Farts,et al, that dare to carry out unprovoved attacks on HUMAN beans should be locked up for the the duration of.... uuummm

SAS... Perth... (need to resort to) Glassing??? not the ones I know..

Beers
...............Kauri

 

[nick2fish]

Totally agree on the luxury car tax 20/20, but it is unfortunate that the Ice scurge that keeps these losers on their feet to drink more and lose all sense of rational behaviour is creating a huge cost to society and of course dealers and users escape tax payments.

Lawmakers and Law enforcers have suceeded in making pure MDNA pills expensive and difficult to source yet Ice is cheap easy to source.

My bar days are behind me now but I think I would feel safer in bar full of happy people swigging on MT Franklin water than a bar full of glazed eyes dropping down shooters.

IMO glassers should be given jail time and made to pay plastic surgery bills

Their empty wallets would make sitting down a little less painful when released

 

[2020hindsight]

ice - sheesh - true, now you're talking serious madmen.

But even booze ... (I'm sure you have more bar service than me but) I worked behind the public bar at the Station Hotel in Auckland once- was replacing someone who tried to break up a fight between Maoris and Samoans the night before lol - he was in hospital with a cue shaped dint in his head. etc

Real fun place to work lol.

PS I don't have any problem with heavy penalties for glassing - if you can catch em of course.
(That goes for kicking a man in the head when he's down etc as well - which I've also seen )

 

[moXJO]

IMO glassers should be given jail time and made to pay plastic surgery bills

Their empty wallets would make sitting down a little less painful when released

This is what it comes down too. I know someone that has glassed two people in different attacks. The most he got was a bond. Anyone that commits one of these crimes should be jailed. And if you really want to curb it, anyone over the .05 limit that commits these crimes should be given a harsher penalty.

Glassing’s are nothing new. I think this is a case of once the younger people hear of it happen, then they up the ante of violence till it becomes the norm.

 

[gfresh]

More ego these days = more violence.. simple.

Nothing new, violence in bars and pubs have been around for many decades. The media showing it off, and somewhat glamorising violence in popular culture doesn't really help. If they stopped covering it, I think it would stop being an issue.

People get killed by being punched with a fist as well. Banning glassware really isn't really going to fix anything, people just use what is available. A hard perspex cup I'm sure could cause a lot of damage if used in the correct fashion.