Propaganda in movies and media

Buddy · 19 May 2008

For what it's worth (forgive me for my sexist comment), I dont know if Jane had any ribs taken out but she sure had one amazing body (Barbarella - still fantasize over that movie). Not so sure about her mind though.

Propaganda is all around us, in the stupid Hollywood movies, in our newpapers, by our politicians (Hansard), Wikipedia (who really knows), maybe even in this forum. We have to be ever vigilant and probe what people say/write to determine if it is the truth. And even if it is the truth, determine how people manipulate the truth to chronical their own agendas. Trust no one.

Julia · 19 May 2008

Garpal Gumnut said:
Less quotes and more discussion would make this thread more interesting imo for an impoverished gumnut on a slow connection.

gg

Pronto said:
For 20/20. Thank you for your comments. I give up; you're right and anyone who doesn't agree with your o-so-predictable views is 'wrong'.

You insist on using every topic as a vehicle for a cut and paste, anti-American polemic, and I for one have had enough. Bye!

2020: please heed these comments. The endless quotes are mind numbingly boring.

As usual what starts out as a thread which promises to be quite interesting descends into the inevitable cut and paste from multiple and dubious sources, all aimed at supporting your own immovable opinions.

You are not interested in objective discussion, or considering whether an alternative opinion could have merit, but only in continually finding new avenues in which you can waffle on.

Superfly · 20 May 2008

2020hindsight said:
PS For mine Fahrenheit 9/11 should be compulsory viewing for kids.

Click to expand...

This is scary ...

...and given that there are school children that were taken out of school and marched by their teachers in anti-Iraq rallies in Australian cities, then there maybe school teachers that think along the same lines as you 20/20... if one can label that as "thinking"...

20/20...wanting to feed your anti-Americanism bulls#it to school kids... dangerous and disgraceful !!!

Superfly · 20 May 2008

Julia said:
2020: please heed these comments. The endless quotes are mind numbingly boring.

As usual what starts out as a thread which promises to be quite interesting descends into the inevitable cut and paste from multiple and dubious sources, all aimed at supporting your own immovable opinions.

You are not interested in objective discussion, or considering whether an alternative opinion could have merit, but only in continually finding new avenues in which you can waffle on.

Agree... 100%...

Superfly · 20 May 2008

Pronto said:
Who is 'everyone', other than ageing lefties who couldn't then and even now have never understood Vietnam? Fonda was a shallow exhibitionist who would have been hanged for her criminal stupidity in another time (as William Joyce AKA 'Lord Haw Haw' was after WWII).

This is the conventional wisdom which is, as usual, wrong. Ask the flourishing nations of Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Phillipines, Indonesia et al if the Domino Theory was 'wrong'. It was the US and allied engagement in Vietnam which allowed their fledgling market economies to develop without the expected Red stab in the back. How ironic that Vietnam is now moving the same way, but 40 years later.

Fantastic post...

You reading this 20/20...

Superfly · 20 May 2008

Pronto said:
Hindsight 20/20 said:

Well, you guessed wrongly. I was there and more than once in different capacities.

In the matter of McCain, you omitted the word 'alleged'. If it is true (and I have no way of knowing) I would set it within the known context.

McCain was singled out for 'special attention' because of his father's position. The severity of his beatings has left his arms permanently damaged.

I suggest, dear 20/20, that we both might have to experience something like that personally, before either of us passed judgement on another man's breaking point.

Meanwhile, the unlovely Jane Fonda (who, incidentally - but on the public record - had ribs removed to maintain her bulimia-acquired figure) was there voluntarily and (unfortunately) was never tortured.

Could not agree more...

2020hindsight · 20 May 2008

Julia said:
2020: please heed these comments. The endless quotes are mind numbingly boring.

As usual what starts out as a thread which promises to be quite interesting descends into the inevitable cut and paste from multiple and dubious sources, all aimed at supporting your own immovable opinions.

You are not interested in objective discussion, or considering whether an alternative opinion could have merit, but only in continually finding new avenues in which you can waffle on.

Julia
ok I concede the review of
a) Ayn Rand's opinion of Song of Russia (around the McCarthy investigations)
and
b) Burnt by the Sun
are longwinded.
I really liked that movie Burnt By the Sun btw - anyone else see it? Russians crticising Russia.

But Julia try to read post #22, - I put it there for people like gg and yourself, because I seem to recall you saying you don;t or can't watch youtubes. Obviously the youtube in post #21 is better still. -

anti American ? - no - it's Americans (and Republicans at that) being extremely critical of McCain, and some contrary versions of "history" and support for felloe POW MIAs.

Julia · 20 May 2008

2020hindsight said:
But Julia try to read post #22

No thank you.

2020hindsight · 22 May 2008

Julia said:
No thank you.

so Julia
can you watch youtubes or can't you?
and next question...
is there any point in my spending an hour or two typing the transcript of a youtube?...
that you can't (thank you) be bothered reading ...

Garpal Gumnut · 22 May 2008

2020hindsight said:
so Julia
can you watch youtubes or can't you?
and next question...
is there any point in my spending an hour or two typing the transcript of a youtube?...
that you can't (thank you) be bothered reading ...

I think what Julia is trying to say is that your opinions and comments are more interesting than a screed of quotes or utube links. Discussions rather than padding, the former gets drowned by the latter.

gg

2020hindsight · 22 May 2008

Garpal Gumnut said:
I think what Julia is trying to say is that your opinions and comments are more interesting than a screed of quotes or utube links. Discussions rather than padding, the former gets drowned by the latter.

gg

gg, you (and Julia) are just gonna have to get broadband and listen to youtubes like that - Republicans calling McCain a very questionable moral character - then you'll understand that all this typing around the periphery of the argument is indeed "padding"

PS If I spend an hour typing the transcript of a youtube for your benefit gg - I don't really think you are legitimately entitled to criticise my efforts

Garpal Gumnut · 22 May 2008

2020hindsight said:
gg, you (and Julia) are just gonna have to get broadband and listen to youtubes like that - Republicans calling McCain a very questionable moral character - then you'll understand that all this typing around the periphery of the argument is indeed "padding"

PS If I spend an hour typing the transcript of a youtube for your benefit gg - I don't really think you are legitimately entitled to criticise my efforts

I prefer your thoughts to all that stuff on utube, and I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you, but can see how I have.

gg

2020hindsight · 22 May 2008

gg - ahh - it probably kept me away from the beer fridge for an hour at least ...

given that the USA presidential campaign is a USD$1 mill per day exercise (per candidate) - I guess we - and any internet discussion - are all pawns in the (US electoral) process...

and if that isn't another name for "propaganda" I don't know what is

PS may we never go the way of the US electoral system .

Julia · 22 May 2008

2020, I have broadband.
I am simply not interested in watching endless videos which are usually extraneous to the discussion, and inevitably posted to mirror your own very unilateral view.

Garpal Gumnut · 22 May 2008

2020 The left and the right have their own propoganda and machines. Keep on picking away at them. The utubers and conventional media are often appartchik plants, there to feed the still free with their luke warm porridge. a bit like tip sheets and brokers with stocks. Rage, rage, 2020. Good on you.

gg

2020hindsight · 22 May 2008

Julia said:
2020, I have broadband.
I am simply not interested in watching endless videos which are usually extraneous to the discussion, and inevitably posted to mirror your own very unilateral view.

well Julia
if you haven't watched the youtube and you haven't read the transcripts...
I guess you wouldn't really know what that particular topic was about would you ? ...

Superfly · 26 May 2008

Pronto said:
Who is 'everyone', other than ageing lefties who couldn't then and even now have never understood Vietnam? Fonda was a shallow exhibitionist who would have been hanged for her criminal stupidity in another time (as William Joyce AKA 'Lord Haw Haw' was after WWII).

This is the conventional wisdom which is, as usual, wrong. Ask the flourishing nations of Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia, Singapore, Phillipines, Indonesia et al if the Domino Theory was 'wrong'. It was the US and allied engagement in Vietnam which allowed their fledgling market economies to develop without the expected Red stab in the back. How ironic that Vietnam is now moving the same way, but 40 years later.

If you want to ask people questions 20/20.. then on the last paragraph of this very correct post is this the "better understanding of the Vietnam situation" you talk about..? no u-tubes please...please !!

2020hindsight · 26 May 2008

Superfly said:
If you want to ask people questions 20/20.. then on the last paragraph of this very correct post is this the "better understanding of the Vietnam situation" you talk about..? no u-tubes please...please !!

ok
a) we were told that unless we won the war in Vietnam there would be a domino to the next country and the next and so on.
b) we lost the war in vietnam
c) there was no domino follow on
d) the logic of the domino theory was incorrect.

PS we now go to Hanoi and/or Ho Chi Min City as businessmen and tourists, instead of soldiers - and that's after we lost the war - if you'd told someone that back in the 60's and early 70's they'd have said "impossible".

robert toms · 26 May 2008

Can anyone remember newsreels before the films at the cinemas?
One of the abiding themes was the fate of Russian women.They had children only to surrender them to state-run creches so that they could keep on working.How shocking this was to Australians.
One generations propaganda becomes anothers reality!

Superfly · 5 July 2008

2020hindsight said:
ok
a) we were told that unless we won the war in Vietnam there would be a domino to the next country and the next and so on.
b) we lost the war in vietnam
c) there was no domino follow on
d) the logic of the domino theory was incorrect.

PS we now go to Hanoi and/or Ho Chi Min City as businessmen and tourists, instead of soldiers - and that's after we lost the war - if you'd told someone that back in the 60's and early 70's they'd have said "impossible".

Businessmen in Hanoi, so the communists come crawling to the west again...Goes to show that the left is wrong, socialism doesnt work...anyway,
can't you read .. due the 12 year US involvement in Vietnam, it allowed the other SE Asian economies the grow strong and develop before any communist movement could gain a foot hold like what happened in poor area's of China ( no one wanted to know Mao in Shanghai etc, he had to go out and recruit peasants).. and the Vietnamise who used the "look at the French they take our land" to the peasants... but read the previous quoted post again, it says it better and maybe ( probably not ever ) you may start to get it.

We didn't lose the war in Vietnam, that is an insult to all who fought there, the US WITHDREW. Everytime the NVA crossed into South Vietnam they where beaten and what was left retreated back into Laos or over DMZ. That is just left propaganda to say that the US lost in Vietnam.

A big reason why the left wants the US out of Iraq, so that they can say it's another defeat for the US military... rah rah rah ... lost in Vietnam, lost in Iraq etc etc etc...

Its hard to win a war with no troops on the ground, which exactly what the left wants in Iraq.

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