bullmarket said:Hi Snake
no problem....but you're now wasting my time....you obviously disagree with my post - that's fine, I don't have a problem with that...so let's agree to disagree and move on.
But I don't accept I am wrong based solely on you just saying so and then not providing any verifiable information to back up your view.
I don't know if you are confused or not, but you sound like you are to me, and I don't know if you really are in Japan or not. You could be posting from Uranus for all I know
But at the end of the day if you don't provide any verifiable info to support your views I can't see how what you think of my posts or where you really are or are not can possibly be of any interest let alone any consequence to me at all.
As I said in my previous post, feel free to disagree with me if you like as you and everyone else is 100% entitled to do if they wish, but if you want me to take anything you say or claim about me being wrong in any way seriously then you'll have to provide verifiable info to prove it....it's as simple as that...otherwise you're just wasting my time.
cheers
bullmarket
Snake Pliskin said:I don`t have a problem with you. I disagree, you disagree and if you care to read, I validated why you were wrong.
LOL Bullmarket,(qball) ur a funni dude cheers
qball
16/12/2005 10:51:19
Stock Analysis for anyone interested but wasn't here before 10am....I see KA's site is back up now..not sure what is going on there...after I posted there earlier this week I was leaving their site and going to www.stockmeetingplace.com it shut down for a while. I won't be going back to KA's site...I'm much happier at smp and will continue to post there as bullmarket.....ps..but another useful chat forum I've found is www.aussiestockforums.com
qball
14/12/2005 16:52:45
Stock Analysis maxie....I think I'm going through a mid life crisis or something because after several years in here using qball, I decided to have a facelift and use the name bullmarket over there.....mid life crisis me thinks...oh dear...
The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.crackaton said:The simple solution to the problem is to stop immigration for a generation.
It has gotten way out of hand .
Every is whinging about an ageing population.. what happens when all these immigrants bring their elderly here for care?
No wonder the health care system is in ruin.
A sudden influx of different people from different culture all at the one time is a recipe for disaster.
If it continues this country will become a horrible place to live in the future.
I am not racist, it is just logic.
Smurf1976 said:The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.
But not in Australia. Australia along with many other developed countries does not have a sufficient birth rate to sustain its own population. And that birth rate continues to fall for various reasons (anecdotally the housing boom being one of them since it's no longer possible for many couples to afford both a house and kids). This trend shows no sign of reversing and, given the worldwide situation, there is no pressing need for it to do so. There's plenty of people, just not here.
And so the logical means of maintaining Australia's population is ongoing immigration. We need them more than they need us and our economy will suffer greatly if the population enters a serious decline, which it would without immigration.
We have already seen in Australia an unplanned experiment with population decline (Tasmania late 1990's). It came to the point of ordinary blue collar workers sitting literally alongside ex-premiers and current politicians, business leaders and even students and the unemployed at public meetings discussing the economy and what to do about the situation. I think that says enough about what happens economically when the population falls. Western economic systems simply aren't set up to cope with decline. It's was bad enough in one state whilst the national economy was booming, just contemplate what would happen if the decline were national.
So I think we ought to continue with immigration unless we can devise some alternative economic system which functions adequately with permanently negative GDP "growth" (that is, permanent recession) and the reality that increasing numbers of empty houses with no prospect of filling them would likely induce a house price crash (simple supply and demand). A complete redesign of the economic system which is presently based upon the notion of continuous growth (I acknowledge that the merits of this are highly questionable).
That said, the immigrants Australia needs are the young and economically productive. That's not to say that we shouldn't accept others on humanitarian or other grounds, but the ones we actually need are those willing and able to work.
Bobby said:Great post ,
I will now place myself in a voluntary position to help breed more Aussies.
I'm A big fit old bloke who can fix up this problem.
Although I wont be avaliable every night .
I't would be my pleasure to help out !.
Bob
anon said:Snake said -
"I`m in Japan now and I`m not Australian to them, but a gaijin which means outsider. Yes I feel prejudiced, but they don`t expect gaijin to be like them. It`s much different to Australia".
Snake,
"Gaijin" has other meanings as well, one being a Monster - like the ones you see on tv. And I copped Gaijin just the once in over 18 months' come and go stays in Japan. Our friend Joe (Junichi) invited us to his home to have some New Year celebrations. As we neared Joe's house his neighbour came out with his three year old son. When the child saw me his eyes opened wide with amazement and out aloud he shouted G-A-I-J-I-N. I don't think that this child would have ever seen a foreigner as there weren't that many of them in Yokohama. I think he took me for a monster. I hope I didn't spoil his impression of what monsters are by doubling up with spontaneous laughter.
I remember that incident with fondness.
This is my first effort posting on this forum. I'll be back if it works.
anon
Bobby said:Greeting Snake,
Whats the immigration policy in Japan, bet they know whos who !
Bob.
Snake Pliskin said:Bobby,
How goes it man?
Yes in Japan they recognise the risk and determine the probabilities of a good or reckless immigrant. They respect their culture and values and don`t want trash disturbing the balance of peace and capitalism.
I would like to see this in Australia, but I think the PC lobby has infected the upper echelons of society and irrepairable damage has been done.
Soldier on brother.
Snake
Smurf1976 said:The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.
But not in Australia. Australia along with many other developed countries does not have a sufficient birth rate to sustain its own population. And that birth rate continues to fall for various reasons (anecdotally the housing boom being one of them since it's no longer possible for many couples to afford both a house and kids). This trend shows no sign of reversing and, given the worldwide situation, there is no pressing need for it to do so. There's plenty of people, just not here.
And so the logical means of maintaining Australia's population is ongoing immigration. We need them more than they need us and our economy will suffer greatly if the population enters a serious decline, which it would without immigration.
We have already seen in Australia an unplanned experiment with population decline (Tasmania late 1990's). It came to the point of ordinary blue collar workers sitting literally alongside ex-premiers and current politicians, business leaders and even students and the unemployed at public meetings discussing the economy and what to do about the situation. I think that says enough about what happens economically when the population falls. Western economic systems simply aren't set up to cope with decline. It's was bad enough in one state whilst the national economy was booming, just contemplate what would happen if the decline were national.
So I think we ought to continue with immigration unless we can devise some alternative economic system which functions adequately with permanently negative GDP "growth" (that is, permanent recession) and the reality that increasing numbers of empty houses with no prospect of filling them would likely induce a house price crash (simple supply and demand). A complete redesign of the economic system which is presently based upon the notion of continuous growth (I acknowledge that the merits of this are highly questionable).
That said, the immigrants Australia needs are the young and economically productive. That's not to say that we shouldn't accept others on humanitarian or other grounds, but the ones we actually need are those willing and able to work.
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