Our Immigration standards?

[crackaton]

The simple solution to the problem is to stop immigration for a generation.

It has gotten way out of hand .

Every is whinging about an ageing population.. what happens when all these immigrants bring their elderly here for care?

No wonder the health care system is in ruin.

A sudden influx of different people from different culture all at the one time is a recipe for disaster.

If it continues this country will become a horrible place to live in the future.

I am not racist, it is just logic.

 

[David123]

LOL Bullmarket,(qball) ur a funni dude cheers

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Hi Snake

no problem....but you're now wasting my time....you obviously disagree with my post - that's fine, I don't have a problem with that...so let's agree to disagree and move on.

But I don't accept I am wrong based solely on you just saying so and then not providing any verifiable information to back up your view.

I don't know if you are confused or not, but you sound like you are to me, and I don't know if you really are in Japan or not. You could be posting from Uranus for all I know

But at the end of the day if you don't provide any verifiable info to support your views I can't see how what you think of my posts or where you really are or are not can possibly be of any interest let alone any consequence to me at all.

As I said in my previous post, feel free to disagree with me if you like as you and everyone else is 100% entitled to do if they wish, but if you want me to take anything you say or claim about me being wrong in any way seriously then you'll have to provide verifiable info to prove it....it's as simple as that...otherwise you're just wasting my time.

cheers

bullmarket

I don`t have a problem with you. I disagree, you disagree and if you care to read, I validated why you were wrong. I don`t have to pay tribute to your whole post. Regardless of where I am I don`t have to validate it to you, but would to some better posters here who I have honest respect for and who know what they are on about regarding shares and like. You`ve been here five seconds and seem quite at home on your band wagon - enjoy it popstar!

Don`t respond in vain, just continue with your disagreement of everyones` posts regarding whatever...

Have a nice day and see you in the soup as you like to say

 

[crackaton]

bullmarket has verbal diarhorrea.

has said nothing of consequence in the previous passage.

 

[Joe Blow]

Come on guys, lets not make this personal. I know this is an emotive topic but I would appreciate it if everyone would play the ball, not the man.

If you are going to agree to disagree that's fine, but please do so and then walk away. I don't want this thread to descend into mudslinging and I will delete any posts that I perceive to be just that.

 

[bullmarket]

Hi snake

I don`t have a problem with you. I disagree, you disagree and if you care to read, I validated why you were wrong.

no problem....but you haven't validated/verified where you think I am wrong at all as I asked you to....but no matter.

as I said earlier let's just agree to disagree on this one and I'll just continue to call things as I see them and give my reasons why wherever I see fit....I can't be any fairer than that.

good luck in your endeavours.

bullmarket

Hi David123

re your post:

LOL Bullmarket,(qball) ur a funni dude cheers

To eliminate any confusion for anyone I have posted here on this site and over at Commsec that I post here and at another site (Joe has asked me not to mention) as bullmarket. It is public knowledge as far as I am concerned

qball
16/12/2005 10:51:19
Stock Analysis for anyone interested but wasn't here before 10am....I see KA's site is back up now..not sure what is going on there...after I posted there earlier this week I was leaving their site and going to www.stockmeetingplace.com it shut down for a while. I won't be going back to KA's site...I'm much happier at smp and will continue to post there as bullmarket.....ps..but another useful chat forum I've found is www.aussiestockforums.com

qball
14/12/2005 16:52:45
Stock Analysis maxie....I think I'm going through a mid life crisis or something because after several years in here using qball, I decided to have a facelift and use the name bullmarket over there.....mid life crisis me thinks...oh dear...

This has been good practice using quotes

 

[Smurf1976]

The simple solution to the problem is to stop immigration for a generation.

It has gotten way out of hand .

Every is whinging about an ageing population.. what happens when all these immigrants bring their elderly here for care?

No wonder the health care system is in ruin.

A sudden influx of different people from different culture all at the one time is a recipe for disaster.

If it continues this country will become a horrible place to live in the future.

I am not racist, it is just logic.

The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.

But not in Australia. Australia along with many other developed countries does not have a sufficient birth rate to sustain its own population. And that birth rate continues to fall for various reasons (anecdotally the housing boom being one of them since it's no longer possible for many couples to afford both a house and kids). This trend shows no sign of reversing and, given the worldwide situation, there is no pressing need for it to do so. There's plenty of people, just not here.

And so the logical means of maintaining Australia's population is ongoing immigration. We need them more than they need us and our economy will suffer greatly if the population enters a serious decline, which it would without immigration.

We have already seen in Australia an unplanned experiment with population decline (Tasmania late 1990's). It came to the point of ordinary blue collar workers sitting literally alongside ex-premiers and current politicians, business leaders and even students and the unemployed at public meetings discussing the economy and what to do about the situation. I think that says enough about what happens economically when the population falls. Western economic systems simply aren't set up to cope with decline. It's was bad enough in one state whilst the national economy was booming, just contemplate what would happen if the decline were national.

So I think we ought to continue with immigration unless we can devise some alternative economic system which functions adequately with permanently negative GDP "growth" (that is, permanent recession) and the reality that increasing numbers of empty houses with no prospect of filling them would likely induce a house price crash (simple supply and demand). A complete redesign of the economic system which is presently based upon the notion of continuous growth (I acknowledge that the merits of this are highly questionable).

That said, the immigrants Australia needs are the young and economically productive. That's not to say that we shouldn't accept others on humanitarian or other grounds, but the ones we actually need are those willing and able to work.

 

[Bobby]

The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.

But not in Australia. Australia along with many other developed countries does not have a sufficient birth rate to sustain its own population. And that birth rate continues to fall for various reasons (anecdotally the housing boom being one of them since it's no longer possible for many couples to afford both a house and kids). This trend shows no sign of reversing and, given the worldwide situation, there is no pressing need for it to do so. There's plenty of people, just not here.

And so the logical means of maintaining Australia's population is ongoing immigration. We need them more than they need us and our economy will suffer greatly if the population enters a serious decline, which it would without immigration.

We have already seen in Australia an unplanned experiment with population decline (Tasmania late 1990's). It came to the point of ordinary blue collar workers sitting literally alongside ex-premiers and current politicians, business leaders and even students and the unemployed at public meetings discussing the economy and what to do about the situation. I think that says enough about what happens economically when the population falls. Western economic systems simply aren't set up to cope with decline. It's was bad enough in one state whilst the national economy was booming, just contemplate what would happen if the decline were national.

So I think we ought to continue with immigration unless we can devise some alternative economic system which functions adequately with permanently negative GDP "growth" (that is, permanent recession) and the reality that increasing numbers of empty houses with no prospect of filling them would likely induce a house price crash (simple supply and demand). A complete redesign of the economic system which is presently based upon the notion of continuous growth (I acknowledge that the merits of this are highly questionable).

That said, the immigrants Australia needs are the young and economically productive. That's not to say that we shouldn't accept others on humanitarian or other grounds, but the ones we actually need are those willing and able to work.

Great post ,
I will now place myself in a voluntary position to help breed more Aussies.
I'm A big fit old bloke who can fix up this problem.
Although I wont be avaliable every night .
I't would be my pleasure to help out !.

Bob

 

[wayneL]

Great post ,
I will now place myself in a voluntary position to help breed more Aussies.
I'm A big fit old bloke who can fix up this problem.
Although I wont be avaliable every night .
I't would be my pleasure to help out !.

Bob

LOL I suspect a few of us would be willing to pitch in.

 

[anon]

Snake said -
"I`m in Japan now and I`m not Australian to them, but a gaijin which means outsider. Yes I feel prejudiced, but they don`t expect gaijin to be like them. It`s much different to Australia".

Snake,
"Gaijin" has other meanings as well, one being a Monster - like the ones you see on tv. And I copped Gaijin just the once in over 18 months' come and go stays in Japan. Our friend Joe (Junichi) invited us to his home to have some New Year celebrations. As we neared Joe's house his neighbour came out with his three year old son. When the child saw me his eyes opened wide with amazement and out aloud he shouted G-A-I-J-I-N. I don't think that this child would have ever seen a foreigner as there weren't that many of them in Yokohama. I think he took me for a monster. I hope I didn't spoil his impression of what monsters are by doubling up with spontaneous laughter.

I remember that incident with fondness.

This is my first effort posting on this forum. I'll be back if it works.

anon

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Snake said -
"I`m in Japan now and I`m not Australian to them, but a gaijin which means outsider. Yes I feel prejudiced, but they don`t expect gaijin to be like them. It`s much different to Australia".

Snake,
"Gaijin" has other meanings as well, one being a Monster - like the ones you see on tv. And I copped Gaijin just the once in over 18 months' come and go stays in Japan. Our friend Joe (Junichi) invited us to his home to have some New Year celebrations. As we neared Joe's house his neighbour came out with his three year old son. When the child saw me his eyes opened wide with amazement and out aloud he shouted G-A-I-J-I-N. I don't think that this child would have ever seen a foreigner as there weren't that many of them in Yokohama. I think he took me for a monster. I hope I didn't spoil his impression of what monsters are by doubling up with spontaneous laughter.

I remember that incident with fondness.

This is my first effort posting on this forum. I'll be back if it works.

anon

Anon,

It means foreigner.

I have lived in Japan for over 2 and half years now. My wife is Japanese and I lived with her family for over 1 year. I hear Gaijin form her brother all the time, as I do from other poeple in public on a daily basis. It is not said directly to me but I always hear people referring to me when they see me in public. I must say the Japanese are really backward when it comes to immigration issues.

No doubt you would have experienced the fake pleasantries when you met people... "Oh your Japanese is good" or "You are good with chopsticks" If I said "You are good with chopsticks" to them they would think it`s strange for me to say that.

Other than that they are good people and it`s not a bad place to live in.

 

[Bobby]

Greeting Snake,

Whats the immigration policy in Japan, bet they know whos who !

Bob.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Greeting Snake,

Whats the immigration policy in Japan, bet they know whos who !

Bob.

Bobby,

How goes it man?

Yes in Japan they recognise the risk and determine the probabilities of a good or reckless immigrant. They respect their culture and values and don`t want trash disturbing the balance of peace and capitalism.

I would like to see this in Australia, but I think the PC lobby has infected the upper echelons of society and irrepairable damage has been done.

Soldier on brother.

Snake

 

[Bobby]

Bobby,

How goes it man?

Yes in Japan they recognise the risk and determine the probabilities of a good or reckless immigrant. They respect their culture and values and don`t want trash disturbing the balance of peace and capitalism.

I would like to see this in Australia, but I think the PC lobby has infected the upper echelons of society and irrepairable damage has been done.

Soldier on brother.

Snake

Yep Snake ,
We continue to let crap in , If any goody too shoes wants to Know who is the crap ? .
Well thats easy : Its the ratio per 100.000 of who are in prison, check out the ethnic winners try= (freedom of imformation ).

Bob.

 

[anon]

Bobby,
Following data is extracted from an article "Aborigines can beat the statistics" by George Megalogenis in "The Weekend Australian" Inquirer section, about a month back -

"...Now let's tackle another data set, this one dealing with the number of immigrants in jail. By the way of background, 1.66 in every 1,000 Australian-born adults were prisoners in 2004, a small rise on 1.59 recorded in 2001. What do you think happened to the Lebanese-born in that period? Their incarceration rate rose from 1.88 to 2.25 in every 1,000.

"...Bear in mind that there are five immigrant groups well above them on the ladder: Tongans (5.32), Romanians (4.67), Samoans (4.45), Vietnamese (3.96) and Laotians (3.28). Indigenous Australians were 15.6 per 1,000 adults in 2005."

I think that the Lebanese youth have been massively failed by their parents and by their religious leaders, very much to the young peoples' disadvantage, and also to our nation. It seems that things are beginning to move in this area, e.g. The Sixty Minutes program on 19/2/06 and John Howard's blunt statements about jihadism and poor treatment of women by sections of some Muslim communities.

All being well I will be raising an issue about non muslim immigration which could turn out to be even worse than what we perceive to be happening with the Lebanese.

anon

 

[mista200]

To put it simply i cant think of anyone who really wants immigrants here for any reason other than the slight economic benifit a skilled migrant might bring!

 

[mista200]

Maybe if we didnt have such a low birth rate then the need for migrants would be even less.

 

[crackaton]

Immigration in this country is now a joke. Any dumb wit can come in, set up a cult or bring their religion to impose their ideology etc.

The educational standards of most immigrants is below standard and will ensure they will be isolated. In time this will lead to aggression as these groups lash out.

The white Australia policy, shudder to say, had merits and should have been kept in place. Unfortunately it is too late and this country will become fragmented and alien as the older generation and their good values fade, and our intellectuals move elsewhere.

I guess there is no such thing as a model society anymore.

 

[crackaton]

The problem I see with that is one of numbers. The world population continues to increase at an alarming rate. Not only are absolute numbers increasing, but so too the rate of increase has risen dramatically over the past century. So there's lots of people around and plety more being born.

But not in Australia. Australia along with many other developed countries does not have a sufficient birth rate to sustain its own population. And that birth rate continues to fall for various reasons (anecdotally the housing boom being one of them since it's no longer possible for many couples to afford both a house and kids). This trend shows no sign of reversing and, given the worldwide situation, there is no pressing need for it to do so. There's plenty of people, just not here.

And so the logical means of maintaining Australia's population is ongoing immigration. We need them more than they need us and our economy will suffer greatly if the population enters a serious decline, which it would without immigration.

We have already seen in Australia an unplanned experiment with population decline (Tasmania late 1990's). It came to the point of ordinary blue collar workers sitting literally alongside ex-premiers and current politicians, business leaders and even students and the unemployed at public meetings discussing the economy and what to do about the situation. I think that says enough about what happens economically when the population falls. Western economic systems simply aren't set up to cope with decline. It's was bad enough in one state whilst the national economy was booming, just contemplate what would happen if the decline were national.

So I think we ought to continue with immigration unless we can devise some alternative economic system which functions adequately with permanently negative GDP "growth" (that is, permanent recession) and the reality that increasing numbers of empty houses with no prospect of filling them would likely induce a house price crash (simple supply and demand). A complete redesign of the economic system which is presently based upon the notion of continuous growth (I acknowledge that the merits of this are highly questionable).

That said, the immigrants Australia needs are the young and economically productive. That's not to say that we shouldn't accept others on humanitarian or other grounds, but the ones we actually need are those willing and able to work.

Um. I think your argument is seriously flawed. This country has a huge population. Any immigrants here already will more than make up the slack in new population being bred, they basicially bredd like rabbits. Why bring more in?

There now exists the situation where we have an increasing birth rate, and more immigrants on top of that. Plus people are living longer.

There is only so many people who can live on this continent with out radically changing the face of it.

When that happens Australia will just be another concrete jungle, a real **** hole to live in.

I personally would not like my children to grow up in that sort of cesspit, but perhaps you have different values.

Enough is enough. If third world countries can not manage their own problems what hope have individuals coming form these culture have in improving or adding to ours? Answer: nothing.

 

[crackaton]

Point in fact, and I am not being racist. An overseas trained doctor is bought over here to work in our public health system. The understanding of English is limited, their qualifications are not recognised here. We then spend time and money re-training them!! Why?

There are plenty of Australians born in this country who would give their eye teeth for an opportunity like this and would probably perform the task better.

A very sad inidication of how weak those in power really are.