Our Immigration standards?

[mista200]

Seeing as most share investors are capitalists, which by default means that they care more about themselves than others. Ie making money at the expense of others.... surely if we were to think about it Australia would be a much better place without any more immigrants.. if only the government could grow some balls and listen to the people for once!

 

[crackaton]

Capitalism is not really the issue here. All new immigrants get free money from the governement, money that is effectively existing Australians. How they spend it is a disgrace. Would you like to see your hard earnt quids spent on a potential drug dealer, terrorist or some other undesirable? I certainly would not.

The governement is weak as piss in this country. What we need, dare i say, is a recession to shake up the fat slobs that run this place.

 

[wayneL]

Seeing as most share investors are capitalists, which by default means that they care more about themselves than others. Ie making money at the expense of others....

Whoa there!!

We are all capitalists in the the strict sense of the word, even if we think we are socialists, by virtue of our super.

If you really mean right wing fanatics ah la dubya and his gang of fascist thugs (and his side kick Johnny) by the term "capitalist", then you are wrong. Whilst we traders tend our own flock, it does not mean we do not care for others. A simple Socratic test will dispell that quicksmart.

There will of course me a broad range of altruistic tendencies amongst traders, from 0% right throught 100%.

And where do you get this "making money at the expense of others" from. I can destroy that arguement effectively if it is not immediately obvious.

 

[rederob]

.. if only the government could grow some balls and listen to the people for once!

I heard the government once planted some "balls" seeds, but the ears never ripened: Something about the wheat bored, or was it Turnbull's water works problem.

 

[noirua]

The great immigration debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM

 

[Happy]

From ABC, November 1, 2006

Tanzanian granted temporary visa after 4 suicide attempts


An African man who attempted suicide four times in immigration detention has been given a temporary protection visa.
The Tanzanian man known as 'Jack' made a fourth attempt on his life three months ago at South Australia's Baxter detention centre. He fled political persecution in Tanzania and spent more than two years in detention.
Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone used her discretion to grant Jack a three-year visa.
Jack's migration agent, Libby Hogarth, has welcomed the decision, but has called on the Minister to consider granting Jack a permanent visa.
"They have this sort of initial euphoria that they're out of detention and they're free and then they go back into this hole again of wondering what really their future's going to be," she said.
She says the three-year protection visa still leaves her client's future in limbo.
"I'm very happy that she intervened, I wish she would intervene more under section 417, which gives her the power to grant a permanent protection visa straight off instead of going down the path of the temporary protection visa," she said.
Ms Hogarth says Jack is now living in Adelaide and receiving counselling for ongoing mental health issues.

Depending on how one looks at issues, there are two opposing comments that can be made.
One that we were somewhat forced to give temporary visa
Opposing one, we allow person in who will not hesitate to use harm as means of achieving outcomes.

Underlying issue is that, news will go out that if failed immigrant self-harms as many times, as necessary will be issued with visa.

Very difficult issue, but being soft we will see more of this immigration technique in the future.
We’ve had some lips sown, hunger strikes, now suicide attempts, what next and it all plays on our emotions and our soft side.

Probably some will disagree.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Just look at the standards of other countries and ask yourself why are my dollars being spent on liars and criminals to come here and get welfare. If you go to China you won't get welfare or a sympathetic ear. If you are lucky you might get thrown into a sweat shop.......

 

[Happy]

If self-harm can give desired outcomes and this form of persuasion becomes –fashionable-, we might see more of it.

To gain employment, to get loan, to rent, to get childcare place, to get to uni, not have to pay HECS , …

The list can be endless; all we need is idea to catch up.

 

[Julia]

If self-harm can give desired outcomes and this form of persuasion becomes –fashionable-, we might see more of it.

To gain employment, to get loan, to rent, to get childcare place, to get to uni, not have to pay HECS , …

The list can be endless; all we need is idea to catch up.

Happy:

Good question. If there is diagnosed mental illness, we have a duty of care.

But if it's pure manipulation, the person simply has to be told he is responsible for his actions and such manipulative acts will not entitle him to special consideration.

But, then, nothing is that easy. In the end you have to consider lack of psychiatric assessment services in the detention centres and a heap of other factors.

Julia

 

[Bobby]

Just look at the standards of other countries and ask yourself why are my dollars being spent on liars and criminals to come here and get welfare. .......

Yes Snake--- The number of welfare disability pensions taken out by a certain cultural group is staggering !

Bob.

 

[Royce]

Live and let live ....we are all Australians regardless of our skin colour, religion and language etc

I married a beautiful Sri Lankan girl and couldn't be happier.


Bobby what was the real reason behind your post.... to stir up the racists among us I suspect.

multiculturalism is here to stay, get used to it.

Royce

 

[2020hindsight]

Live and let live ....we are all Australians regardless of our skin colour, religion and language etc, I married a beautiful Sri Lankan girl and couldn't be happier. Bobby what was the real reason behind your post.... to stir up the racists among us I suspect. multiculturalism is here to stay, get used to it. Royce

Royce If I can add to what I think both Julia and Bobby are sayin ...squeeky doors get oiled - people who keep pushing their luck with the welfare system get the benefits - and polite people like you and your wife for instance - and most of us - just dont even know its happening

But of course there's also the question of the detention camps - my daughter did a major school arts project "we are unable to smile", "we are (treated) like animals" etc you get the ghist. Surely we could improve our efforts there , - like 100 fold?

PS It is essential that we are "fair but firm" about out entry standards. And against queue jumping. - essential that the people smugglers are taken out of business imho. - as well as vigilance against bludging on the welfare system. Personally I think the "Pacific solution" is a pretty pragmatic and sensible option. (even if my dorta disagrees vehemently )

 

[Bobby]

Royce If I can add to what I think both Julia and Bobby are sayin ...squeeky doors get oiled - people who keep pushing their luck with the welfare system get the benefits - and polite people like you and your wife for instance - and most of us - just dont even know its happening

Well 2020 your on track, and as for you royce, read your last post again regarding multiculturism , you married a Sri lankan & your happy, good for you.

Bob.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Live and let live ....we are all Australians regardless of our skin colour, religion and language etc

I married a beautiful Sri Lankan girl and couldn't be happier.


Bobby what was the real reason behind your post.... to stir up the racists among us I suspect.

multiculturalism is here to stay, get used to it.

Royce

Royce,

I don't think people are talking about skin colour here. You have made that description. It's the immigration standards!

Multiculturism is total bunk. Multiracialism under one identity and culture is what you mean.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Yes Snake--- The number of welfare disability pensions taken out by a certain cultural group is staggering !

Bob.

Yes Bob, just come on in and get a free ride. And then sell drugs or import arms, whilst servicing 3 or 4 wives Servicing wives with a bad back. How do they do it? Maybe they should just Or complain about it, and there will no doubt be someone willing to listen.

 

[anon]

Yes Snake--- The number of welfare disability pensions taken out by a certain cultural group is staggering !

Bob.

Where do you get this type of information, Bobby? One hears a lot anecdotally confirming your statement, but is there any site where one can see the actual figures?

anon

 

[Happy]

Centerlink?

 

[Bobby]

Australias leading Muslim cleric Sheik Taj Din Al-Hilali is at it again!

All over the news : backing ~ Muslims are better then Aussies because he says we have convict backgrounds , also his comments about the convicted rapers, who he thinks are innocent.

I don't want any more pariahs let in, do you?

Bob.

 

[Wysiwyg]

The immigrants to Australia up to present have chosen to dress the same, speak English and integrate into society. Interestingly, Australia is changing from an Anglo/European dominant migration to an Asian dominant migration.

Look around and we see the product of immigration policy combined with a civilised system of living.
Will that homogeneous trend continue in years to come? I strongly believe for some they cannot integrate and will maintain their own separate sector of society. These numbers will be small and obviously different.

The Indi-China influx.
Recent years have seen these two most populous nations on the planet dominate immigration to Australia by a large percentage. The Chinese are generally law abiding, workers, non-religious and friendly. They dress similar, talk English and the ones I have seen don't bring over a communist mindset. Generally good people.

The Indians are generally law abiding, workers, friendly, dress similar and speak English. It seems they could assimilate. Generally sane and should make the transition of thinking.

There may be many reasons but the fact is the capped numbers accepted to migrate have many less Anglo/Europeans in the mix. Hmmmm.