Our Immigration standards?

[Smurf1976]

The political correctness crap is what disturbs me. Everyone apologises for being western or free thinking. We will apologise ourselves out of existence.

Very well said Snake. Political correctness of any kind is absolute nonsense IMO. Speak the truth...

 

[Julia]

The political correctness crap is what disturbs me. Everyone apologises for being western or free thinking. We will apologise ourselves out of existence.

Snake:

Agree absolutely. I don't have any religious affiliations but I was just exasperated at Christmas with all the rubbish about it being offensive for Australians as Christians to, for example, place a nativity scene in a shopping centre or other public place. Said nativity scene means little to me, but I strongly object to any thought that it should be avoided because it could possibly offend Muslims! I'm not aware of many people in this country attempting to deny them their religious celebrations.

There always seems to be this cringing unrealistically so-called politically correct minority who appear to have lost touch with reality.

At the same time, I have immense sympathy for anyone who has been driven from their country of origin because of brutal regimes and persecution, or even simply hunger, as is the case in some African countries. It must be devastating to have to leave with nothing and make your way through huge barriers to another country where you can't speak the language and have no sense of being accepted.

Regarding racism: I wonder if sometimes we are too quick to paste the label of racism on to particular groups. Don't all races have their share of people who behave badly? It shouldn't necessarily reflect on everyone else from that country or general area.

Julia

 

[visual]

Julia,re: racism,
hope this is not off topic,recently on the ABC or SBS am not sure there was this interesting program,where these university students undertook some tests to find similarities with people from similar backgrounds,guess what most of them were wrong ,according to their dna they were able to prove that apart from different colour skin,hair types shape of eyes ,we in fact are all the same race.So that a white kid from America perfectly matched someone from Africa not necessarily from Europe like he thought,thats where his family originated from,and the same for the rest of the group.Seeing that we all descend from Africa apparently the only differences have evolved
over generations to suit our enviroment.I found that program very interesting,essentially when people point to diffences according to race,such as runners from particular background or such the main motivator is actually social and economic.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

The majority of these arguments are non-sequitur and part of a worrying trend of xenophobia and bigotry brought to you care of absurdities such as "the war on terror" and media hysteria over events of no consequence to the majority of us. All this flag talk and west vs east, "free thinkers" is jingoism.

Every race and religion has its idiots so why not treat and judge everyone on their own merits rather than lower ourselves to name-calling? It's dissappointing that on a stock forum of all places, one has to be subjected to this kind of rubbish.

The suggestion is that our immigration policy is a drain on the economy because the intake consists of trouble-makers that can't speak English and live on the dole. Aging population etc etc that we need people coming to live in Australia and with the skilled-migrants policy the government is running, I would suggest that the majority of this intake will not end up on the dole. Our tertiary education system gets a large chunk of revenue from overseas students coming here and paying through the nose for non-HECS places that they are only accepted in if they have passed an English proficieny test. Moreover, a quick look around a typical uni campus will also reveal that the majority of students are not the Bruce Ruxton and Australian-flag G-string-wearing types but people of diverse backgrounds.

This whole immigration topic is still-born. The real issue is maintaining mutual tolerance and respect for each others' races and cultures whatever they maybe and remembering that anyone who has an Australian citizenship has just as much right to live in this country and be called an Aussie as yourself.

Apologies for all the schmaltz and now let's get back to talking stocks and derivatives and leave this ugliness behind us.

chromatic

You speak the naive toung....

Have a read of the following article written by, not a white person, but an immigrant.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4020

 

[wayneL]

You speak the naive toung....

Have a read of the following article written by, not a white person, but an immigrant.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=4020

That's a great article SP. No rational person could disagree with this chap.

Cheers

 

[wayneL]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18085714-2,00.html

Give up on multiculturalism, say MPs
From:
By Sean Parnell

February 09, 2006


THREE Queensland Labor backbenchers have called for an end to multiculturalism, claiming the policy has outlived its usefulness and now encourages segregation, intolerance and violence in the community.
As Premier Peter Beattie struggles to contain backbench anxiety.......

 

[Milk Man]

Well I for one have had quite enough of this gutless tofu eating she-man babble. Who made the apologies after the race riots? Who makes the efforts to embrace the others culture in the face of terrorist acts? What would be said if a mosque was burnt down?

Immigration comes with the responsibility of intergration. If you want to be a muslim thats fine, but if you cry racism the moment someone looks sideways at you down the street then dont expect any sympathy from me.

 

[rederob]

Well I for one have had quite enough of this gutless tofu eating she-man babble.

Now what exactly would you be talking about?

The Sydney race riots did not happen overnight - they were the culmination of work from radical elements on 2 sides of the cultural divide, well fuelled by some irresponsible media.

As a Queenslander you should remember that an idiot torched a Brisbane mosque after 911 on the pretext that....... he was just an idiot?

The other week when Bush gave his State of the Union address he mentioned Iraq and 911 in the same sentence - carefully not saying that Iraqis were involved in 911, but implying clearly they were as he did not mention his good friends the Saudis, who comprised most of the culprits.

Politicians are complicit in engendering the present east-west (dare I say muslim-christian) sentiment that communities worldwide are now experiencing.
Find a statesman among them that is likely to introduce the type of harmonising influence that Nelson Mandela was, and we might make progress.
But while we have lapdogs to Bushes inadequate foreign policies, don't expect too much too soon.

 

[Bobby]

Well I for one have had quite enough of this gutless tofu eating she-man babble. Who made the apologies after the race riots? Who makes the efforts to embrace the others culture in the face of terrorist acts? What would be said if a mosque was burnt down?

Immigration comes with the responsibility of intergration. If you want to be a muslim thats fine, but if you cry racism the moment someone looks sideways at you down the street then dont expect any sympathy from me.

I liked what you said !.
Intergration is the key to all of this , when you go to someones home you behave yourself within their rules, if you don't like it you can go , or you may be told to go.
Australia is home to Australians & the same rules should apply.

As for multiculturalism well it just creats division, who wants female circumcision , **** fighting, wife bashing & other delights here ?, some cultures do as they see nothing wrong with them.

As for whats good in other cultures- (bring your best & leave the rest ).

Bob.

 

[bullmarket]

It looks to me that any non-Aboriginal people in here arguing against immigration, multiculturism etc etc are either confused, hypocritical or both.

The indisputable fact is that the only true Australian is an Aborigine. Everyone else either has ancestors that came out with the First Fleet in 1788 or sometime since then or they came here by their own means some time after 1788.

So those of non-Aboriginal descent arguing against immigration, multiculturism etc why not show some guts, practise what you preach and leave the country and give this land back to the original owners - the aborigine.

I think that those remaining then have to try to get along as best as possible, and that's obviously easier said than done nowadays, and make allowances for other cultures, beliefs atc.

I just wonder how those in here who object to other cultures and ways of life would react if the aborigine's all of a sudden tried to impose on them their cultures, beliefs and ways of life. You can't have it both ways...either practise what you preach or you're just making a total fool out of yourselves..

cheers

bullmarket

 

[Happy]

According to what I’ve heard, Aboriginals came here too, between 40,000 to 30,000 years ago.

So we are all one way ticket tourists and their kids, with everybody having different arrival date.

 

[visual]

Bullmarket,I agree with you about the aboriginals,however as going back ,where,europe exported its people because especally after the war couldnt feed them or house them Australia ,and many other countries around the world needed cheap labor and voila,those countries now regard people who have lived away as belonging to that particular country,
In my opinion what people are complaining about its the politicition of multiculturalism,for example where i live after sep.11 became inundated with australian speaking women dressed head to toe,where the hell where these devout muslims before than,they were among us but you didnt know because religion should be your own business.Now all of a sudden they are trying to convince the rest of the world that being ignorant and backwards is part of their religion and culture.B**********GO to any muslim country and you find a mixture of people in fact people die on a daily basis for the right to be free and not having to cover their bodies from head to toe.Seeing that after a lot of hardships everyone manages to live togheter why is it only muslims who cant achieve that.How come they seem to cause problems everywhere ,china,india,phillipines,ect..

 

[rederob]

It is an indictment of our education system that so many people that call themselves "Australian" have no idea of what migrants coming to Australia commit themselves to: And it certainly is not "integration". Most migrants actually want to become Australian citizens, especially when they understand it does not mean forsaking their culture and heritage.

Australian citizenship represents formal membership of the community of the Commonwealth of Australia and Australian citizenship is a common bond involving reciprocal rights and obligations uniting all Australians while respecting their diversity, and people granted Australian citizenship enjoy these rights, and undertake to accept these obligations by pledging loyalty to Australia and its people, and by sharing their democratic beliefs and by respecting their rights and liberties, and by upholding and obeying the laws of Australia.

Milk Man, Bobby and others would learn a great deal from attending a citizenship ceremony, celebrating Chinese New Year with a Chinese family, or participating in the myriad of other “ethnic” cultural events that occur across Australia throughout the year.

Value judgements tend to diminish this discussion, particularly with unfounded assertions about such things as “wife bashing and other delights”, whatever they may be. There are many nations that would never contemplate legalising prostitution, gambling and alcohol, which it could be said we take great delight from.

 

[rederob]

Visual
I will pray for you.
Please advise which god.
Alternatively, I am well connected with the Devil.

 

[bullmarket]

Hi happy

According to what I’ve heard, Aboriginals came here too, between 40,000 to 30,000 years ago.

So we are all one way ticket tourists and their kids, with everybody having different arrival date.

no problem...I'm not trying to start a fight....as I doubt this thread is going to resolve the racial/political/cultural/religious divides in our world atm

I was just putting my into the ring.

But using you're info above, then if nothing else it reifnorces my view that we need to make immigration, multiculturism etc to work somehow if we are going to grow as a nation, and hopefully in at least a compromised peace and harmony, because no group can then justifiably claim to own this land and so try to impose their ways of life/beliefs etc on others without consideration for theirs.

btw...if the Aborigine's weren't the original inhabitants then maybe we need to go back all the way to Adam and Eve

cheers..

 

[visual]

reerob,
true story,went for a walk,as we got closer to the town centre,we could see fireworks,hear loud music,ect so we went to invistigate,as we got closer lots of people all asians were obviosly making their way home.I looked for a young person that i could communicate with and asked whats this all about,she informed me it was chinese new year,i said isnt that too early,oh apparently this was just a pre party,ok,howcome it wasnt advertised in the local paper,she informed me that it was only for asians ,being chinese new year,i replied that i would`ve like to know because it looked like fun,lots of food,rides,ect.
So you see regardless of what citizenship actually means you have to want to be part of the country you now belong to.And by the way when does citizeship give you the right to change the country to suit yourseld,women only hours for our pools,women only gyms,how long before thay want to introduce sharia law,its happening in Canada,they are trying to!

 

[Happy]

It doesn’t matter who lives here according to our policy.

What has to be addressed is belief that somebody’s religion is the only one, one can accept and not tolerate any other.

From what I heard Australian residents follow around 140 different religions, so mutual understanding and tolerance is a must.

 

[bullmarket]

Hi Visual

I'm not convinced that the vast majority of Muslims in Australia are trying to raise a higher profile for themselves and their beliefs.

From what I've seen, very much of the attention given to Muslims in the media generally has been to give them an opportunity to condemn the violence acted out by a very small bitter and brain-washed extremist minority and so disassociate themselves from them. I believe that the very overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful people and what is highlighted in the media are the extremist actions of a small minority, which unfortunately can do a huge amount of harm

cheers

bullmarket

 

[bullmarket]

Anyway, I think we're just going round in circles now and since this thread is not going to resolve the racial/religious/political/cultural divides in our world atm I think I'll leave you guys to it for this thread....I said my worth earlier

cheers

 

[visual]

rederob,
when i need you to pray for me ,i`ll let you know,and by the way thats why you are familiar seen you praying with the devil.