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In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind. That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You.
Very few Trump supporters across America have - at time of posting - changed their mind and still believe the election was stolen. This belief continues to be validated by Trump who will not concede (see also Trump's latest tweet immediately above), nor will he do what his predecessors have done to facilitate a smooth transition to Biden, despite declaring he would do this.Not a tweet but a press release...
For the record I don't support this second impeachment effort
Perhaps you can offer the evidence that supports your position (ideally in another thread), as thousands of pages presented to US courts on over 60 occasions after the election have shown little more than the petty fraud that occurs with every election.Anyone who believes that was a free and fair election is living in a clown world. Notwithstanding the failure of the courts to uphold - and there are probably very valid reasons for that which are nothing to do with the unadulterated truth - there were obvious irregularities.
That must somehow be fixed, American democracy cannot survive unless election results are beyond reproach. Clearly that is just not so at the moment.
Additionally, despite Biden's mealy mouthed platitudes towards unity, the Komrades are openly plotting the oppression of conservatives.... Yeah unity bro.
Don't be surprised if you are told to go perform an impossible auto-erotic act.
IMO, a genuine civil war (the war of secession was not a true civil war) it's going to be the least surprising result if Komrades continue to behave like they are.
Anyone who believes that was a free and fair election is living in a clown world.
Notwithstanding the failure of the courts to uphold -
Perhaps you can offer the evidence that supports your position (ideally in another thread), as thousands of pages presented to US courts on over 60 occasions after the election have shown little more than the petty fraud that occurs with every election.
Trump's teams also fought many cases prior to the election to disenfranchise electors, and their track record was not too good.
You have a long history of latching onto ideas that lack credibility, so here is your chance to bring into the forum something that will astonish us.
It was as free and fair as you can get in a country where elections are run by politicians.
A court mostly appointed by Republicans.
Give it up wayne you are just damaging your credibility by arguing the extremes of the elections.
The same system that put Trump into power removed him.
To be clear, do you personally believe that Trump won the election ?
there must be ways to make sure that results are clear and unequivocal.
These are bureaucratic instruments and clearly not to the satisfaction of the folks.There are. They are called the Courts, the electoral college and the Congress.
That is not now what is important rederob, if you believe Biden got more votes than Obama then fair play to you. I'm not going to sit here and construct a case the next several hours for your satisfaction, for you to just deny.
What is important, and this is my point, is the perception going forward. I don't know how you do it, perhaps blockchain or whatever, but if whichever side loses can see that they lost fair and square, then we can avoid all this sort of bullshyt.
That's what's important, not me proving you wrong or you proving me wrong.
Conservatives must move on from this situation now and Democrats must be a lot more magnanimous than they are being, otherwise they will be a civil war.
But come next election if this is not fixed it WILL blow up in everyone's faces
You lack credibility, and that is the whole point!That is not now what is important rederob, if you believe Biden got more votes than Obama then fair play to you. I'm not going to sit here and construct a case the next several hours for your satisfaction, for you to just deny.
What is important, and this is my point, is the perception going forward. I don't know how you do it, perhaps blockchain or whatever, but if whichever side loses can see that they lost fair and square, then we can avoid all this sort of bullshyt.
That's what's important, not me proving you wrong or you proving me wrong.
Conservatives must move on from this situation now and Democrats must be a lot more magnanimous than they are being, otherwise they will be a civil war.
But come next election if this is not fixed it WILL blow up in everyone's faces
It's not me you have to convince Rob.You lack credibility, and that is the whole point!
You boldly claim "there were obvious irregularities" and show none.
Across 2 months, despite every Trump lawyer and backer digging for evidence of electoral fraud, their presented claims were regularly vacuous or laughed out of court. Often, as @SirRumpole points out, it happened via judges Trump had himself appointed.
The USA has a major problem with "credibility," and it continue to be perpetuated by the Commander in Chief.
People that think like you are called "enablers." They latch onto baseless claims and repeat them often enough to believe they are true. Moreover, despite abundant evidence showing the claims to be without merit, they hold firm.
A quick fix would be for Trump and his Republican Congress team to come clean. It's really that easy right now.
But as Trump showed in the tweet above, he won't acknowledge that he lost a fair election, and conveniently forgot to tell everyone he had again been impeached. Trump is a proven liar and deranged narcissist, and that's fine with over 70 million Americans.
That's pretty sad.
But it's entirely credible because here you are saying "To be clear I have no idea whether Trump or Biden won the election" because you refuse to believe people who are better informed to determine the fairness of US elections, and who also determined that challenges to the outcome failed to provide any relevant evidence.
I responded to your post claiming inter alia "obvious irregularities" regarding the November elections, and sought from you what they might be.It's not me you have to convince Rob.
likewise you are showing you will never concede any point no matter what is placed in front of you so like I said I'm not going to spend several hours doing that.
What you have to do is to convince the American voter, that is my consistent point here which you are dodging in favour of trying to disparage me with utterly faulty logic.
I hope you can do that before the situation in the US blows up in all of our faces, because we will not be unscathed here in Australia.
Anyone who believes that was a free and fair election is living in a clown world. Notwithstanding the failure of the courts to uphold - and there are probably very valid reasons for that which are nothing to do with the unadulterated truth - there were obvious irregularities.
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