2021 prediction:
Biden will become President without much fuss.
Nothing has happened to Trump previously because majority of it was bs or overblown.
This is the exact reason why the vote conspiracies are doing so well. There has been an utter line of bs during his presidency to take him down. Obvious media bias. And super kook conspiracies. It now seems to be being repaid in kind. Which is a bloody waste of time. Its no wonder that people think the vote was rigged.
He is gone. Most right wing pundits have already moved on. He has no chance of staying.
Drop the dribble till after January
You have 4.5 minutes of a 35 minute phone call.Che ?In all that dribble you managed to totally avoid Trump spending an hour on the telephone attempting to strongarm the Georgian Secretary of State into overturning the election results by finding 11,700 extra Trump votes from ...anywhere he can ?
As if. somehow, this never happened and in any case meant nothing or in fact Trump is absolutely right to demand another term !!!!
Truly Moxjo you should be on the Trump front line in Congress. Priceless and breathtaking..
2021 prediction:
Biden will become President without much fuss.
Nothing has happened to Trump previously because majority of it was bs or overblown.
This is the exact reason why the vote conspiracies are doing so well. There has been an utter line of bs during his presidency to take him down. Obvious media bias. And super kook conspiracies. It now seems to be being repaid in kind. Which is a bloody waste of time. Its no wonder that people think the vote was rigged.
He is gone. Most right wing pundits have already moved on. He has no chance of staying.
Drop the dribble till after January
The fact he believes he won is actually defense for the above call. It would make it very hard to prosecute. 16 days to go or something anyway.I agree Moxjo. The place to settle all this brouhaha is in the Courts.
Trump, Meadows and co. need to have the opportunity to present on oath their allegations of stunning electoral fraud and the evidence to back it up.
To date Trumps claims of election malfeasance have been refuted step by step by the Georgian election officials. With regard to Trumps liability...
Justin Levitt, a law professor at Loyola Marymount University, said it's "very possible" the president violated federal law and probably broke Georgia state law.
"It mostly turns on what the president honestly believe at this point, and the only choices aren't great," he told CBS News. "So either he understands reality and knows that there are not 11,800 ballots sitting somewhere that are Trump votes and weren't counted in recounts and audits, in which case he committed a crime. If he actually understands the true nature of the world, if he can discern fact from fiction, he probably committed a crime."
But, "if he doesn't, then we've got a chief executive who is still in power for 16.5 days who cannot reliably distinguish between fact and fiction based on the information he receives," Levitt continued.
"That's not a great consolation prize," he said, adding there is "plenty" in Mr. Trump's call with Raffensperger "that is alarmingly indicative that the president can't tell fact from fiction, that he has bought into his own conspiracy theories."
"Yet the president persists": Georgia's top election official refutes Trump claims
"This is all easily, provably false," Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling said as he debunked multiple false claims of vote fraud.www.cbsnews.com
The fact he believes he won is actually defense for the above call. It would make it very hard to prosecute. 16 days to go or something anyway.
I see your points Moxjo and they have been made.
1) No point prosecuting Trump in the next 16 days. Plenty of time after he leaves office
2) If in fact Trump truly believes he won the election then criminal insanity would be the most appropriate plea.
NPR researched a wide range of legal views on the possible outcomes of the call.The insanity clause was up there.
(For some reason the link to the article below doesn't seem to stick.. If you want to read the article see the NPR website)
Trump's Call To Georgia Election Officials Sparks Debate Over Legality, Ethic
January 4, 202112:16 PM ET
The other thing: does Biden want to start his term at war with Trumps base?
They can go hard at Trump, but there is a danger in that. The optics throughout Trumps term was that the swamp was out to get him. Democrats are already at war with the far left.
I would say if they genuinely want to normalise voter relations, that they will move forward and keep Trump out of the media spotlight. The last thing they want to do is make a martyr out of him. And Trumps speciality is sht fights.
They need the middle and working class.
The rabid Trump followers are similar to antifa in that they want to tear the system down. You can present whatever you like but beliefs are generally ingrained in people.I agree that Biden shouldn't go after Trump. Totally wrong.
But if there is to be some sort of normalising in the US I believe Trump and his followers have to have the opportunity in court to present their case for widespread fraud and the evidence behind it.
If this is found to be true then clearly there has been the biggest failure in the US electoral system in history. The election results should be reversed.
If on the other hand there has been no widespread fraud that could have turned the election Trumps followers need to be told that. In my view the only person who has the capacity to acknowledge such an error is Donald Trump himself. Just my opinion.
The thing is, even if he did win Georgia he still hasn't got enough electoral college votes to win, so why bother ?
I agree that Biden shouldn't go after Trump. Totally wrong.
That's right, if you did not vote for Biden, "then you ain't black".Trump and all the GOP members who conspired to delegitimise a large section of the black vote should be held to account and no leniency given
Georgia had sent all the relevant information to the White House PRIOR to Trump's call.Full audio is here:
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...nsperger-election/6F7PDHDFDVCNTD3E76V7PIZWII/
I haven't listened to it as I don't really care. But I'm sure it will be picked apart over the coming days. It was actually an hour not 35 minutes or whatever I thought it was.
You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.It's irrelevant what the media make of this event as for the first time his Georgian colleagues have demolished his credibility chapter and verse. It could not be more damning, and throws a spanner in engine room of his Senate hopefuls in tomorrow's run-off election.
You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.
In the case of Trump's call to Georgia, his probable attempt to coerce a State electoral official to change the outcome falls under State jurisdiction. Accordingly, if Trump's last action is to pardon himself from any crimes (an interesting concept of itself), such pardons only relate to federal jurisdiction so Trump might find himself with Georgia on his mind for longer than he would like.The President is definitely doing a stress test on the Constitution. Honestly he has done everything except hold a coup and he is thinking about that.
You have to wonder if he is burning it down on the way out for Republicans. His base won't vote for establishment Republicans after this.
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